Hello IamTammy, You said it. Amen
Hilda Agard

You can't deny the laws of Gravity... no matter how much you say it does not exist. It won't change or disappear.

Instead of aborting... why not give the child for adoption ?

To Hilda~ you are thanked.

to mpamphile~ reread this one part:

"Oh, and if you think every parent will want their kids to have kids if it's outlawed? WRONG. Some parents didn't even want 'them', and some of THOSE parents also had abortions~ I'm not saying it's right or wrong~ I'm just stating a fact...........not everyone will all of a sudden get morals, then stand up and cheer "Let's have that baby!!!!" just because a law is passed~"

Now~

Young women are NOT going to start flocking to adoption agencies just because RVW would be overturned. First of all, some kids are scared of their parents. Some kids don't even have parents, let alone anyone else. Not many of them have enough money for even a Wendy's burger half of the time. Here's an example:

An 18 year old girl decides she wants to move to LA and become an actress. She either gets knocked up by some guy, gets stuck prostituting around, gets raped, etc.....and finds out she's pregnant.

She's stuck in a town where she knows no one. If she's career oriented, do you think, in all honesty, she's going to stick it out for nine months? She could take a bus ride back to where ever she came from, but then what? She's carrying a baby by a man that she will probably never see again. Sure, the 'right' thing to do would be to have the baby, and give it up for adoption, but in reality?

She is going to feel totally stuck. If she has no choice, the consequences could be much worse. If she was raped, then she's still stuck. And who decided to play God and tell her she has to have that baby?

All I'm stating is reality. Saying something is law doesn't mean it's automatically going to be followed. I'm also not saying that the girl should run right out and get it aborted either. But I will say this~ I would sure hate to have a daughter out there somewhere and a few people (men being the majority) wearing black robes and making the decisions that I, as a parent, should be helping my daughter to make, and that's if she even talks to me.

Oh, keep in mind how many babies are found in dumpsters, trash cans, and on river banks because the mother either had no money, no access to help of ANY kind, and was scared to death. Ask yourself, which is the lesser of 'two evils', and which would you prefer to deal with?

Eric Rudolph sure did his part for 'the cause', didn't he? It's one thing to believe in something. It's quite another to invoke it upon another, especially when it's STILL a law.

IF the parents help their young ones make good decent decisions, that's a plus, and yes, there are going to be broken condoms, rape, drunken screw sessions in the back of a car, because let's face it~ every one is human, and things are going to happen. They've 'been' happening.

Abortion is here to stay, whether it's illegal or NOT, and whether you like it or NOT. If you take something away from someone, they're going to do whatever they can to get it~ whether it's candy, pot, that new Elmo that ToysRUs only has one of on Christmas eve~ or an abortion.

Never forget: Desperate needs = Desperate measures

Ask glaucoma patients how they got their 'medicinal' marijuana before they were able to get a script for it.

Ask Melissa Etheridge how she got HER 'medicinal' marijuana before it was legal for her to get a script for it while battling breast cancer. It surely didn't grow on their backs.

The same parallel will happen.

You cannot give someone something and then take it away~ it'll backfire every time.

Prohibition is a good one. You should read what happened during THAT.
And guess what? They got their booze back. It was easier than trying to keep up with all of the deaths and illegal crap that ensued.

It all bites for sure, but if I was in that situation, I surely wouldn't want some single 35 year old man, who still lives with his mom, blocking the entrance to the only place of hope I have, with a sign that says BABY KILLER on it, when I feel there is nothing else.

Especially when he's still a virgin.

I could not have said it better myself and thank you. I know one of those women you speak of who used a wire hanger when she was a young girl. She not only performed her own abortion once but three times because abortion was not legal and only the rich received the sterile abortions. Yes! Many doctors were performing abortions whether legal or not, if you could pay their asking price. They were so expensive that girls purchased the home kit! A dirty wire hanger.

And for that, the woman I speak of lost her uterus and was not able to have any children when she was ready by "her" choice. Some would think she got what she deserved. That her 3 fetuses should have been born, but when is it ok to put a mother through a pregnancy at 14, 15 and 17 when her father was her molester.

$12 an hour to council her, $450 for an abortion or billions of dollars to keep a mentally retarded or disabled childs health care?

Need I say more?

...as always, Tammy! I agree with you in that I don't want to poke my nose in and sound off about the issue of what other women do with their bodies. This made me wonder though--are there statistics from countries where is it still illegal (Isn't Australia one?)? Are back alleys and hangers all THAT rampant?

Suggesting that abortion should be legal because *some* may disobey the law and hurt themselves sounds a lot to me like saying drugs should be legal because people may disobey and hurt themselves by using them. Though interestingly, countries like Holland where drugs are legal are, from friends' accounts, fairly peaceable, so this comparison might warrant some thought.

No matter how easy you try to make things, some people will self destruct. I worked as a prenatal educator for fourteen years and can tell you legal abortion is no picnic. They DO go awry, leave longterm psychological impact, and imagine what it does to a teenager's body after she's had several fetuses sucked out of her (then still doesn't learn anything and does it again). No harm? Self destructive is as self destructive does. More's the pity.

Thanks for posting, Tammy. I always enjoy your comments.

Janell
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Lisa~ good points indeed. haha "Self destructive is as self destructive does" is a fave saying of mine, along with "Stupid is as stupid does."

I totally agree with you~

14 years, eh? That's a long time. I can just IMAGINE the things you heard and dealt with. And you're correct on the part of having the abortion itself. In my second statement up there, I probably should've put a disclaimer about 'not all abortions go as swimmingly as planned.'
Not all of those med techs know what they're doing, and it's good business for them, ya know what I mean?

Although, botched operations happen by regular surgeons in regular hospital facilities every day. I would be one pissed off chick if I woke up from a tonsilectomy and they amputated my left leg instead. lol........the sad part? It's not funny and how many times have we heard of THAT happening?

To me, it's just like weed. This so called 'war on drugs'? There's more weed in your neighbor's back yard than ya think. Weed is more prevalent now than before~ it's nothing to watch Jay Leno and Kevin Eubanks spar jokingly back and forth about smokin' a doob. It's become very mainstream, and the government keeps putting people in jail for years because of it. (I want to do an entry about natural plants grown on this Earth versus mad-made.) Oh, I'm not some avid pot smoker or anything, but the whole issue is just astounding to me~ I don't understand why they just don't deal with it, at least on the medical side, tax it, and let so much be purchased for medical. That way, the goverment will get more money that they obviously are in dire need of, and that terminally ill cancer patient can at least get some relief before the final demise. At least they'll pass on feeling less pain with a Hershey bar in their hand. 'Big Brother' is monitoring more and more things in our lives, using it to their advantage, so what's one more invasion?

I'm just afraid that if they take away something that was already given, the damages will add up more than everyone realizes. There's no easy answer~ parents just have to work harder I guess, which makes it harder with yet another controversy 'too much sex and violence on tv'~ yet, turn on BET sometime or a prime time show, and wonder if you're kid's upstairs wackin' off to that Cosmo in your basement from 1989. My son already knows that if he makes me a grandma before he's 40, I'm cutting his kiwis off myself. lol

Nope, no easy answers, no easy solutions, but I can tell you that if it's all overturned and they take away 'choices', it may backfire. It would be all sweet and nice to think that everyone that accidently got knocked up, would have the baby, and give that baby to a couple that can't have children of their own, but that's not reality. It would never happen, and people have to realize that it won't. I guess we, as humans, have made it all so much harder than it has to be, ya know what I mean? We ourselves put 'ourselves' in these positions of the controversial Ozone depletions, the dumping of nuclear wastes in our oceans~ and then when we go fishing and catch a 7 eyed snapper, we're like, 'WOW, LOOKIE HERE!' and then your excitement immediately turns into eery disgust because, WE all did this. It's no wonder everyone just wants to get..........stoned .......and deal with it later.

Oh, and your pic is so neato on here. And thank you, too. Your posts are smart.

Excellent post. I wish more people had your sense. Unfortunately, the US is being overrun by "Christian" zealots. Makes me want to move to Europe.....asap.

Thank you deary~

I personally wouldn't mind living in Monte Carlo, myself. They don't have to pay taxes. "..........and I am a Material Girl". Best thing Madonna ever sang. heh~

I'd just like to see more personal accountablility on all parts of the issue, but that's just me. It's a matter of, 'I don't like what you are doing, so I'm going to take your right to do it away.......nevermind I don't know who my baby daddy is, but I'm coming after you anyway. I'm gonna teach you MY lesson.'

Don't give me the right in the first place then. I hate flip floppers~

We should have choices in our lives even if destructive. And we have to live with the choices we make. I see that abortion is debated quite often here. I myself try to keep open mind on all aspects of life. I am not wishy~washy! But here is what I do believe; I am pro-choice.. I feel that we should have the choice to be self destructive or not. I should have the choice to put my mind, body and spirit through the changes and complications of bearing an unwanted child or not.

I would not personally chose to have an abortion but it is nice too know no matter what, that the choice is there. My choice has been to use birth control long before I ever became sexually active. I was educated by my family enough to not be affraid to go forward and ask for the pill and condoms at the age of 16.

I have also educated my two teenage daughters even further. I personally taught them how to use a condom. And that condoms are for disease control only and are not 100% effective. That a spermicide and the pill has to be used along with that condom in order not to become pregnant. And that even with that they could still have the chance of catching herpes or warts from their sexual partners.

I think it should start in the home and I have gone as far as to introduce them to several teenage mothers and just hang out with them. To give them a small taste of what unprotected sex can really get you. I have been called too liberal in my parenting that maybe I took extreme measures in what I have put my girls through. But my oldest starts college soon on a scholarship. She will be going to college as a virgin. She thanks me for my honesty and openess. My girls are certainly not going to wait until marriage to have sex, that would be a far fetched fairy tale... But they will be waiting until they are ready to have sex. Their choice not mine, not yours, not anyone elses, but theirs.

But if for some reason one of them was raped while unprotected they would take the morning after pill. And if that did not work for them, then maybe it would nice to know that they have that choice. See I use "choice" and "chose" often.

As for the fetus having a choice. I do not believe an embryo or fetus are able to make that choice because they don't have any thoughts to being born or not. They are not capable yet of making that decision. Do any of you recall thoughts or memories in the uterus? I see that comment ruffling feathers all ready. Beacuse we cannot recall being two either but we don't kill two year olds, right? True enough, but they have already been born and have a thougth process. The ability to remember. And my two year old could not make the decsion to cross the street without me. We make the choices for our children that they cannot make on their own.

Self destructive as an abortion maybe, we all have self destructive behavior. So as you call a young girl a killer for making the wrong choices that she has made NOT you, and she has to live with and be haunted by; I would like for you to put down your drink, stop pointing your finger and put out that cigarette. Stop eating deadly cheesburgers and sipping on that addictive caffeine.

If abotion is out lawed then damn it, I want Mc Donalds, Pepsi and cigarettes out lawed too. Ok, not really and nobody else probably wants it out lawed either. However, smoking, sugar, and caffeine all cause spontanious abortion. And I see many pregnant women out there smoking and guzzling soda. But hey, it's their choice right, as it is yours and as it is mine. And I am not giving up my sugar and caffeine.

I have put my body through hell, I have had liposuction. I am glad that I can have cosmetic surgery if I feel I want or need it. Many people have died during cosmetic surgery and still we run to be sucked, tucked and lifted when we can. Or is that just me? = )

My only point is this, don't worry so much about the mistake others maybe making. Put that energy into your own life. We all make mistakes but do not want to be called out on them each time. We are only human. You can't save the world, but you can save yourself and the ones you love. Don't shame a stranger when you have your on guilt to live with. I know I have my own.

Ivy~

EXCELLENTE'. That's the kind of commentary I like, laced with, yes.......personal accountability.

My son has been into football since he was three. I've passed many a football with him over the years. He's now 17, a quarterback for his high school football team, and he has a bright future ahead of him. (Nevermind the fact that he throws so hard now, my boobers can't hack a head on catch, but we'll talk about that...........later.)

I started instilling in him the importance of chasing the things in life he wants desperately to do, at an EARLY age.

When he hit his teen years, I had to accept the fact that eventually, there would be another 'woman' in his life, and unlike his mother, she'd have sex with him. lol (omg, how crude was that?)

That was the time that I slowly started putting the word out here and there about NOT KNOCKING UP A CHICK. I had to face it~ my baby was growing up, and one day, he was going to do the dreaded evil deed.

(I should've started when he was like 4, because that's the first time he had a chick from pre school call my house and ask, "Is Evan there?" Right then, I knew life would never be the same for me. He gave his phone number in between that freakin' purple dinosaur and Big Bird to a............girl.

He had to know that if he got someone pregnant, all of his hopes and dreams of college football were over, and instead of wearing a helmet, he'd be wearing a paper hat and serving me out the drive-thru window.

Chase your dreams and that ball~ chase the chicks later, man~ they'll always be there. College football won't. And be careful because some women will try anything. I should know~ I am of the species.

It's what I preached here:
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Ivy, that was great. Personal responsibility......that was a nice read.......

And I say that while I take a drag off 'death', and drink a bottle of Mad Dog. haha~

Tammy~ Gotta luv ya girl! I am glad you enjoyed what I wrote here... I also always enjoy reading you.... We are on the same page on alot of things, mostly that life is just life... You see what alot of it is really about and I admire how your always real... I know you will give me a laugh everyday!