VIRGINS?!

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So, if I'm following the plot, the main hook of martyrdom (as it relates to terrorists) is the bounty of door prizes that accompanies it. And, I hear, the sizzle that sells the steak in this deal is the promise of an afterlife hook-up with a gaggle of virgins. Right? I know that I've read the number, but I can't recall right now (and I'm too lazy to research it). For sake of argument, let's say a dozen since it works so well for donuts.

Imagine, a dozen virgins! Woo hoo!

Sorry, I don't think so. Perhaps I'm biased as I've usually dated older women, but I think I'd hold out for a better deal. Seriously, it reveals these guys to be quite desperate and as equally inexperienced in matters of short-term l'amour.

The lure of the virgin might be good on paper, but in practice...entirely different thing. Experience is the route to go for practicality and entertainment value.

And there's another fly in the ointment to consider. If you're engaging in carnal manuevers with an inexperienced partner, you mind end up in charge. Being in charge means two things - responsibility, more work - neither good.

And, that's ONE virgin. With twelve, the amount of responsibility and additional work must increase dramatically. That math translates in any language.

Sure, there's the true believers who won't be swayed by this detail being brought to their attention. They're in it for different reasons altogether. But, if it's a PR war for hearts and minds, setting the less-than-committed, would-be martyrs straight on what they're actually getting out of the deal can't hurt.

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Gnosisquest's picture

Martyrdom

Agreed, martyrdom in more ways than one indicates ignorance. Only the incompetent male would desire a virgin, that way she may never know. Give me a woman who knows what she wants any day, one who is alive, positive without the guilt hang-ups.

Best RG

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As many as 72 ... bowls of grapes??

I read that the Hadiths (which are to the Qur'an [Koran] as the Talmud is to the Torah for Jews) promise as many as 72 houris (virgins) to the faithful male who dies for the Cause - the Qur'an itself does not specify a number. And if that's not the way he swings, there's apparently some promises of young boys too.

I found this blog on this subject, which is at least entertaining. I can't find obvious flaws in it, but I'm not an expert. And translating the Qur'an into English is a notoriously difficult exercise.

In fact, interpreting the Qur'an even in its "original" language (Arabic) is so full of pitfalls, that it may have gotten the whole "virgin" thing wrong. In a book by "Christophe Luxenberg" (which I understand is a pseudonym; gee, I wonder why :( ), the word translated "virgins", in the earliest versions, actually meant "(bowl of) white (or chilled) grapes". In other words, the holy martyr gets plenty of food and drink in Paradise, no worthless promise for a nomad in a desert who wipes his [deleted] with sand. But sorry Bill, you keep your dick in your pants.

It didn't take long for the successors of the Prophet to work out that "virgins" was a much better inducement to fanatical military service than "grapes". Which just helps make the point: those who like sausage, respect the Law, or Believe in a Holy Book should never see any of the three being made.

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Problems in translations.

Seems that the translation of virgins may have erred in much the same way as the translation of circumcision; in its original language circumcision means restraint. The ancients were to practice restraint of the heart, head and physical pleasures.

So many mistakes are being paid for by the innocents that we do need to get things straightened out before we hurt more people.

Best RG

Behind every excuse lies a failure, to justify a failure only compounds its magnitude.

Very interesting

Good points, Barely Awake. I've never understood the "virgin" allure myself, unless it's with two people who want to be virgins on their wedding night. I get the whole "saving yourself for marriage" thing, but I don't believe it's the same thing.

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The "virgin" allure

I've never understood the "virgin" allure myself

I've not had much trouble with it. We forget, I think, that it was 1850 before we began to understand the true role of male and female in reproduction. 1850, for crying out loud. It was in that year that a French scientist first saw syngamy, the fusion of egg and sperm. In a seaweed. (1850 was about when microscopes capable of seeing a sperm cell first became generally available.) Demonstrating "sperm and egg" for humans took quite a bit longer. It's not easy to find a human egg. It's not exactly like a chicken egg.

Before 1850, we were clueless about the most important part of the birds and the bees. And believe me, there were some pretty strange ideas out there. Including the one that the woman provides only the space to develop a baby, it is the man who puts the baby there. And if I'm paying the freight, milady, I want that space to be ALL MINE. I ain't raisin' no one else's contributions; I don't want any of that stuff in there, y'hear me? :) (Even within my lifetime, dog fanciers refused to breed a bitch that had been topped by a mongrel, because of the fear that "residual sperm" would render subsequent offspring "mixed" rather than "pure" blood.)

Practically all animals have the same concern. The male will go to great lengths either to exclude other males from access to females, beginning before their first estrus (i.e., virginal) or to produce so much sperm that their load outcompetes everyone else's. Disease is another concern. Multiple partners increases the risk of STDs. (Somehow this wise dictum didn't get applied to male promiscuity very well - in fact, in Shakespeare's time, it was thought that deflowering a virgin was a cure for the clap.)

Only (he said for about the sixth time on BP) modern technology has allowed us to understand enough about our bodies to retire the ages-old misconceptions that led to the "virgin" obsession. Thank a scientist ... :)

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