Um, Am I Missing Something Here?????
Ok, recently Catfish and Sassy both asked me if I was actually letting my 4 year old watch scary movies. And, while I still stand by my answer ~ er, I was raised on horror movies and haven’t gone on even one killing spree! ~ it’s a subject that’s come up before. Those times, though, the question was asked with much less respect. More to the point, it was acted like I’d held her eyes open and forced her to watch porn or Pauly Shore movies!
But, tonight while waiting for Pushing Daisies to begin, we sat through Inside Addition. What do I see there???? A 5 year old boy being featured for killing a bear while out hunting with his grandfather! Actually, since age 4 he’s killed several deer and then the bear.
Er, am I crazy, here???? I get nothing but shit for allowing my kid to watch scary movies, but this kid is given a fucking GUN and it’s cool????? Not an air riffle ~ A REAL BULLET FIRING, PEOPLE KILLING GUN! And, I seriously don’t care if the old man held onto it while the kid fired! No child that age should ever be allowed to handle a gun!
What the Hell kind of crazy is this???? Really, Hostel is the only one of her favorite horror movies that could be argued is too real for a little one. Her others have all been zombie movies ~ flicks so far outside of reality that they can’t be mimicked..........uh, outside of that brief period when she tried to eat people, but I swear I put a stop to that immediately! She also decided on her own that she doesn’t want to watch them anymore, so she doesn’t...............except, Hostel, which has become her new Click and will be gotten over soon!
Seriously though! I watched that segment and the top of my head exploded! On what planet is such a thing acceptable???? I get the hairy eyeball for being a horror fan. Then you have George Romero, Eli Roth, Quentin Tarantino, Clive Barker, Wes craven, etc., etc., etc. being labeled as sick. But, a 5 year old armed with a lethal weapon is treated like it’s fucking AMAZING?????
What the Hell is going on here?????? Did we somehow enter into The Twilight Zone??? What’s next??? Militia-O’s for kids???? Mini assault rifles by Mattel???? Or maybe Hooked on Jihad tapes???? But hey, if we did ~ where the Hell is Rod Serling?? I wanna a few words with that bitch!
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I'm with you, Spooky.
Hell, that story was all over the place. I was absolutely aghast!!! What's worse, I haven't seen one damned article from anyone talking about the down-sides of it. For example: why the hell were they out shooting bears? As a general rule, bear steaks aren't considered desirable so it wasn't for food. At least they can claim they shoot deer because they eat them. Maybe a bear skin rug? Right - they can use it to cover the dirt floor in their shack.
Another thing, the fucking kid didn't wrestle (rassle) the damned bear, he pointed a GUN at it. The gun did all the work. I've known more than one 5 year-old who could bean the clown's nose with a baseball every single time - so I'm just not all that impressed with the kid's aim. BFD.
So now we've got another 5 year-old out there being praised for killing things. Real, living breathing things. Aren't we just so proud?
it was on the side
of the road! So, the thinking was - hey, there's a bear! Shoot it! We have several people murdered in a shopping mall recently and turn right around and glorify a kid with a gun!!!!! It's crazy! and, this kid may end up just as well adjusted as anyone. But, why take the chance that he may accidently kill someone???? What if the next trip he shoots grandpa???? Or, another hunter???
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Ah, the story I read said that the kid and his dad, or someone,
were in a blind - a hunting blind. But if they just shot a bear that they saw on the side of the road then there must be some kind of law against that. You have to have a permit to shoot any animal - except squirrels. And generally, you have to be on property approved for hunting, not just pointing your gun out of the window of your car. But there they go, praising the murderous little creep for "shootin' a bar."
I was raised by Texas rednecks who had permanent "deer camps" and lived all year long just for this time of year, when they could go out to the "camp" on weekends and wait for the deer they had been feeding all year long to come up to eat so they could blow them away. I'll never understand hunters - I'll never like it. It's senseless killing as far as I can see. But when it comes to praising a 5 year-old for killing an animal - any animal except a rabid, dangerous one - I am sickened. I'm also apprehensive and for just the reasons everyone mentioned. What's the next challenge for this kid? When it's no longer enough of a thrill for him to kills bears and deer, will he graduate to the ultimate game - humans? And before anyone says it, no, I do not think that's a little far-fetched.
Argh!
Okay. Let me state right off the bat that I usually have a policy of not questioning other people's parenting techniques. God knows I make enough mistakes. And then there are the things where I think I'm doing the right thing, but their therapist is going to hate on me. I truly am doing my best, and unless it's obvious that someone else isn't, I usually leave them to do their parenting as they see fit. BUT, that being said, you asked, so I'm going to answer.
I didn't see the bear thing, but I can already tell you what they would say if asked about it, because I grew up in hillbilly country. "I am teaching him to shoot properly and to defend himself. I am teaching him that he has the right to carry a gun. I am doing this when he is young because I want to make sure the lessons stick, and so he understands that this isn't a toy. Besides, he sees me go hunting with my friends, and he wants to come along. Because I am teaching him to do it properly, there is no reason to worry."
And I've heard a very similar reaction from you, right here and in other posts. "I am teaching her the difference between horror movies and real life, so that she understands that these people are really okay. I am teaching her that censorship should only come from within, and that we should be able to see anything we want. I am doing this when she is young because she won't be traumatized by Halloween and all the decorations. Besides, she sees me watching and wants to watch too. Because I am teaching her to do it properly, there is no reason to worry."
And perhaps you are right. I honestly don't know. But my opinion (for ALLLLLLLLL that's worth) is that my own kids better get damn used to the word no. Last night I was having a glass of wine. My daughter, age five, asked me if she could have a drink. I told her no. She asked why and I told her that it was something only grownups were allowed to drink. She said she wanted a drink of it because it looked "fancy". Now, I don't really give a damn that she wait until she's twenty one to enjoy a glass of wine. But at her age, I cannot come up with a single justification that would let me give her a sip. She needs to understand that there are some things off limits to her now, but when she gets older, she's free to do whatever she wants. If I'm lucky, she will do ALL things in moderation. As soon as I told her that she cannot do it because of her age, she accepted it, because I wasn't using her age as a weapon. She understood that she would be free to choose later on, but that right now, I make the choices for her. If she doesn't like it, she's free to sit and sulk.
I'm not saying any of this to get on your case. Frankly, I'm not that subtle. If I was going to rip you a new one, you'd know it. lol But just because your daughter wants to watch horror movies doesn't mean you have to let her. Good lord, if I let my kids do everything they wanted to do, my daughter would be drinking wine, dancing like a hootchie, and inviting perfect strangers home with us, and my son would eat only macaroni and cheese and chicken nuggets.
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NO - her most hated word!
There is very little this kid can slide on, trust me! She's told no and told it often! And you make a very good arguement! My thing is that I'd had that rationale for YEARS, but only caved on the horror movies because I'd been raised on them myself. I pretty much had to acknowledge that fantasy isn't the real prblem. It's with the parents. Otherwise, there is SOOOOO much that's off limits to her it's not funny! I remember the day my oldest son wanted to try beer. He was about 5 and I thought I'd be clever and do like my dad had done when I did the same thing. He said SURE!, here ya go! I took that 1 sip and found it so nasty I never asked again! MY kid??? He liked it!!!!! Yep, he liked it AND told his younger brothers he'd been allowed to drink beer and they wanted to also! A BIG lesson there on how being clever can kick your ass!
I do so get where you're coming from as far as tradition goes. I just can't see it being realistic. Especially when you have all these kids going on shooting rampages and they grew up with guns in the home and where taught to shoot from a young age. It's not movies, it's not video games. If it were, our generation would be full of killers! Which, last I checked ,isn't the case!
And, I have my own hillbilly family history to deal with as well. It's amazing to me how much I had to undo from my own upbringing!
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LOL!
But if you don't give her access to watch it, she won't watch it.
I used to work in the mall where the shooting happened, before I moved. It's so pointless. And you're right. It's not movies, video games, music, books, or MTV. It's something inside that went wrong. I don't know that there's any one single moment that makes a kid turn out this way. I think it's a horrible exclamation point of a kid wanting anyone to give a damn. I used to work in a teen group home, and some of these kids would be doing so well, and then all of a sudden, they would make some choice that was just so stupid. It was often because they had it drilled into their heads that this was the only way to make someone listen to you. This kid at the Omaha mall had nobody at his job to listen, no girlfriend to listen, no parents who would listen... Well, people finally listened. They hung on every word he wrote. They analyzed everything he ever said and did. All it cost were a few lives... :S :(
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I was stunned also, Spooky,...
at least at first when I read the story. Then I started wondering if hunting families have been doing this sort of thing for years. I know nothing about hunting, as killing something other than bugs (ick) seems foreign to me, but I'm thinking hunters in general are a different breed, and I know in many cultures taking the child out and teaching it how to kill to survive is commonplace, so I wasn't sure if taking children hunting was a norm or not.
Having said that, taking a child out into the woods where the possibility of running into a bear seems quite reckless, and I'm not sure this guy will be nominated for father of the year any time soon.
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I just don't get it
and clearly never will. My dad hunted and never once put the gun in my hands or my brothers hands. If the world had neded and there was a real need for him to learn to live off the land, I'd get that. But, last time I checked it hadn't.
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They praise the kid
They praise the kid now but one day when a gun-toting kid walks into a school and starts pointing it at people they don't think it is so cute. I doubt the bear thought it was too cute either!
and, doesn't it seem
that whenever there's a shooting rampage by a youth, there's always access to guns in the home???? I said recently that I was looking into getting one even though I know the stats on guns as protection! That's seriously NOT gonna happen now!
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Bear killing
The only reason this made news was because the kid is a decendant of Davy Crockett. Crockett is supposedly his 10th great grandfather.
Right!
actually, I'd just grabbed the laptop to start writing this, so I almost missed that part!
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Sounds like TXKJUN,...
it's a family legacy type of thing then. Davy Crockett, one of the most colorful characters in American history.
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I read 2 articles about the kid
Only one article bothered to mention he was a distant relative of Crockett. I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel the same way. Who in thier right mind would give a 5 year old a rifle?
Then again this did happen in Arkansas. You know the place where when you divorce your wife she's still you sister. LOL SORRY couldn't help myself!!
LOL txkjun!
It just proves another of my posts that we rarely seem to celebrate the good and noteworthy things that people do! In the last two days I've seen brief news blips about a family who donated 100 toys to a Christmas toy drive and another family who created their own drive by collecting gifts by the truck load to deliver to Mexico! And, this morning there was another family who makes Friday "cheap dinner night" ALL YEAR LONG so that the money saved can be used to buy much needed things for families in Africa in December!
Ya, but a kid with a gun makes national fucking news! We suck!
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