The Infamous Red Phone.
Leave it to Hillary to attack Obama with an ad about "who do you want answering the red phone when it rings at 3 a.m?"
So what does the opposing party do? They RUN to the nearest podium to bitch slap the Democrats on the issues of national security!
So I had an idea...look out ad world Sassys has an "idea"!
I think that Obama should do a take off on this very same ad. He should find a McCain lookalike and have the lookalike in his PJs answering a red phone and saying repeatedly "Just NUKE em...." "What? OHHHHH, Sorry I thought you were calling about the "terrorists" in our midst...But sure is nice to talk with you Mr. Blair, what's up duuuude?" "What? Obama wants to meet with you? Well just NUKE EM"
Personally the thought of a hothead like McCain having access to that red phone should scare the living shit out of any normal thinking American. So how would any of you answer that call eh?
Me? I would answer the call by starting off with cursing out whoever it is and saying "IT"S 3 A.M!!!" UGH!
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funny, sassy
Ya, I had a call at 8am and it pissed me off! LOL
But, uh, I guess you haven't heard about Obama's ad? Within 3 hours of Hillary's "red phone" ad being broadcast, Obama aired his own nearly identical ad. Considering that it came so closely on the heels of her ad, and that it's impossable to put one together in that short amount of time and get it on the air. Uh, it's pretty obvious that he had it ready already. She just beat him to the "air-time-punch".
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Yeah Spooky I did hear about that add too!
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Personally I prefer MY add to both of theirs!! I wish they would THINK before they leap, they need to be careful how they attack each other...it's only fodder for the McCain camp. Even when Obama did his add, it is stupid on both their parts. If I know all this why don't they? Are they really that egotistical?
they're desperate
That's all - plain and simple. Each is desperate for the nomination and I think assume the ends will justify the means. It's a tricky thing to bank on and both will probably regret it.
{sigh} OR, as per usual, the country will forget it in a couple months and the next round of disgusting attacks will begin!
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Well, the joke was on Hillary and Obama didn't really
need to put out his own ad because the girl in Hillary's ad is really an Obama supporter!!! Yep, turns out that was a stock clip and the little girl is now 18 yrs old and has been campaigning all along for Obama. She was on the Today show - or some morning show like that - talking about how she didn't like film of her being used for Hillary. LOLOLOLOL!!! Can you say 'Backfire'!!!
Yeah PW that must have stung Hillary for sure!
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Hey maybe Obama should contact this young girl to be a part of my add too? She could play the young vulnerable kid that hands over her phone to daddy McCain...hahahahahahaha!
The article I read said that she had already talked to
Obama's people about being in an ad for him. So, send 'em your idea quick! Strike while Hillary can still hear the echo of that backfire! LOL!
the girl in the ad
Oh boy! Ok, I can't frickin help myself! She should not just be the girl to hand him the phone - what about the HOOKER to hand him the phone?????
Boy, that was just wrong! Ok, I'm getting back to work now! LOL
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LOL, Spooky!!!!
The hooker should be sitting up in bed while she's handing him the phone.
Yeah, we're twisted. But that one was hard to resist. LOLOLOL!!
twisted alright!
Ya, I couldn't help myself! I'd forgotten to mention Sassy's ad idea in my first reply, but it just popped into my head as I read your back and forths. I'm trying to be less negative about all this - trying not to sling mud and just stick to the facts (ma'am). But this was too good to pass up! And, the sound I hate the most first thing in the morning is the bloody phone ringing. I'd rather wake up to the sounds of garbage trucks!
I do think it's ridiculous that the girl is now speaking out when it comes to this ad. My brother keeps giving me crap about my opinions - "Are you speaking as a FAN or as a WRITER????? Be fair because it makes a diference!" - so this is as a screenwriter that I think that. But, really ~ A: being in the ad doesn't endorse anyone. It's the part of a sleeping child! Kids cannot vote, so she couldn't be viewed as endorsing anyone. B: Who (beyond herself and her family) would know that's HER in the stock film???? C: This is done all the time. Stock film is stock film. If you don't like how it's used - take it up with your agent. Who, of course, will tell you to GROW UP and take it up with your parents who signed the deal for you.
Sorry, but as supporters of Obama, ya'll shouldn't be rallying around this twit. She's clearly using this ad and the campain to get her unknown-ass on tv. And, if she's been working in this biz all that time, then she damn well knows the above! I get that ya'll find it funny and being in the other camp are entitled to the giggle, but really - is someone like that someone you think will actually help his campaign?
Just my .50 cents. And, if the shoe was on the other foot, I'd think the same thing. If the girl had any talent she'd not need to stick her face into a presidential campaign! "Come on, honey! Those tables need to be cleared!"
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You got me all wrong, Spooky, honest!
I'm really not intending to rally around this little girl and I certainly don't have an opinion about how she feels about her image being used in the ad. I honestly could not care less. And your point about no one ever knowing it was her was right on the nose. If she hadn't gone public with it no one ever would have known so I'm thinking she just saw a quick and easy way to cash in on 15 minutes worth of fame. That does not impress me in the least - not in the least.
I just thought it was funny - especially since I found the ad to be alarmist and specious. I would have felt the same way about that ad no matter who ran it - Hillary, Obama, McCain, Doogie, whoever. I didn't see Obama's ad so I have no opinion on that - sorry - but if it was in the same vein then I have the same opinion of it. Why waste our time and their campaign funds on ads that don't inform, that don't show what they are about. Doesn't make sense to me and doesn't sway my vote either way.
Don't I know it, PW!
While I do see the ad as a typical kind of campaign ad, it still doesn't sit well with me. AND, the photo that the news keeps bringing up. Geez. It's a cheap shot and helps no one. And, as much as I'd like to think it didn't come from Hillary's camp, it's too much like old school campaigning! And, so it probably did! Or, the best case scenerio is that some "well meaning" member of her camp did it without her knowledge. But, that seems doubtful. I would also like to think that the negative back lash for both parties would mean an end to that kind of crap. But, we all know that Obama will use that girl in an ad wether it's a smart move or not!
But, ya - that's why I added that ya'll are entitled to the giggle since each side does it when the other faulters. I've been asking why he's so hot on seeing her taxes! I've never understood why a person's tax return should be made public. As I see it, he's grasping at straws to turn a negative eye on her. BUT, the same can be said for her using his "ties" with his church! Personally, my fears about Huckabee I see as valid and am relieved that he's no longer a threat of being elected. But, I also don't see Obama in the same light! I don't see him as ready for the job - after all, he can't do his current job while also campaining. That says a lot to me. BUT, I would never see him as a bigot or a racist. So, while Huckabee would have (probably) turned more of a blind eye to extremests, I don't believe for one second that Obama would do anything short of condemning all who thought his being in the White House means he'd be inclined to go along with seperatists and hate crimes.
I'm doing my best to look pat the crap and focus on the issues. When we're lucky, they DO actually talk about them! LOL
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Ok Spooky first off there is NO WAY
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That Hillary didn't have some sort of hand in the making of that add. She is far too controlling not to be on top of all her stuff...I also think that her hubby had a hand in it. Why don't you see Obama as ready for the job? What makes you say that he is not keeping up with his current job? And for that matter who's watching out for Hillary's crap while she's out? Hmmm?
It's possible that Hillary did not have a hand in that ad.
Reports are that she is completely out of control in the management of her campaign, not overseeing things, letting conflicts run out of control, etc., etc. She apparently has a sink-or-swim management attitude - turning people loose with little or no supervision or help. Makes me wonder just what the hell she would do with the country.
Frankly, I think the way these campaigns are managed can give us a pretty good idea of the way the candidates would manage the office of President. Obama is reportedly running a smooth, well-organized campaign and is very hands-on in managing it while Hillary is having a very bumpy ride because of her lack of involvement in the campaign management.
As for Hillary's so-called experience, when was the last time Hillary had to answer the red phone? Frankly, I do not equate her experience as First Lady as experience in the office of President. And if we do equate that, then she's had her turn in the White House and it's now someone else's turn. While I do see experience as indisputable value, I do not believe that the person who has the most time on the job is automatically the best qualified. There's experience and then there's experience. There is also innate ability and this, I believe, is what Obama has, along with sufficient experience to handle whatever comes his way.
Yes,
I've read this too. Although (and boy, is this ever going to be a back-handed compliment), I will say in her defense that she believes that creative people sometimes need to just hash things out. The problem is, that only works when you have the right team put together that can function that way. In this particular team, she has put together a group of people that are loyal to her, and that have served her well in the past. But they haven't all worked together at the same time, and apparently, they are having some difficulty doing so. The best managers will adapt their leadership style to suit the kind of team they have, and in this case, she isn't doing so.
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And why wouldn't she do the same thing as President?
Bring on people who are loyal to her, that is. And I'm not impressed with her "creative people sometimes need to just hash things out" style. That may work great in marketing and other creative fields but I still think people need firm leadership in order to keep focused on the goal and they need leadership helping point out the direction to take in attaining those goals. I don't want the President of my country letting creative people hash things out while creating absolute chaos, which is what seems to be happening with Hillary's campaign people.
I personally believe she would.
Her history suggests she would. But if this is how they are going to behave, she's going to need to cut some of them along the way.
I disagree with you on the management style. I think it totally depends on the group in question. At the company where my husband works, he's had three managers. His last one was very hands-off, and let everyone do their own thing and figure out what they needed from everyone else. His current manager controls things a bit more. But it's also because most of the people on the team are newer, so they need a little extra support than an older team might. With Clinton's people, I think it's absolutely the WRONG style for her group, but I do sort of get why she chose that direction. A) It seems more like her personality to delegate jobs and trust that they get done than to focus on all aspects. B) These are supposed to be the campaign experts, and if they can't manage on their own, how is she supposed to guide them? But it isn't working. And as someone who is specifically running for a job which is the biggest leadership position in the world, it's not the best plan, in my opinion.
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I bet none of your husband's managers just turned
their people loose right off the bat. I bet they worked with them long enough to know just how much direction they needed and just how much freedom they could handle. If they were good managers, that's what they did. No manager worth his salt puts a team together, regardless of the experience or expertise of those people, and just turns them loose. And when that team is turned loose, there are still controls, oversight, etc. As you put it so well, she's running for the "biggest leadership position in the world." And I'd say she's not proving her leadership skills very well.
LOL!
Excellent argument. But there's turning loose, and then there's turning loose. Let me use this as an example. Say Hillary brought in James Carville. Or McCain brought in Karl Rove (god forbid). These are President makers. If it was my campaign, yeah, they'd get a lot of latitude. Sure, there would be oversight and controls. But it's different than bringing in someone who has just graduated college, and hoping they know what they are doing. I have no doubt that Hillary believes she has a James Carville or a Karl Rove on her staff, but I think her judgment has been clouded by her history with them. She's giving them more room than they deserve.
I don't believe that Hillary is completely hands off and doesn't have a clue, but I think she isn't taking NEARLY as big a role as she should.
And on that note, WTF?! I don't know what planet is in retrograde that I'm actually giving Hillary some slack today. LMAO! But I chalk this up to a mistake made based on loyalty, rather than one made on incompetence. Either way, I think we're both in agreement that it is a mistake.
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I've worked for some of the most powerful managers
in the world - Time Warner major dudes that knew how to manage a team. And yes, I was an idiot for ever leaving but that's another story. Anyway, those Directors, who had been with the company for years and worked their way up the ladder and proved themselves every step of the way did not have the latitude that Hillary has given her people. The Executive VPs who literally ran the cable operation and the Internet operation did not have that kind of latitude and these are guys that make a hell of a lot more - just in bonuses - than all of Hillary's people, Karl Rove or James Carville. And those bonuses are based on performance, they aren't just gimme's.
Sorry, but I see no justification for Hillary's management style. So, yeah, LOL, I think maybe Mars or Pluto or something is messing with you today. You're being awful generous. LOL!
Actually IG James Carville IS on Hillarys team!
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I saw him on CNN (Yes the DREADED CNN) And he is one of her top advisor's, and I find it very hard to believe that Hillary wasn't all over this shit...it REEKS of her husband and his "Opinions" I can see him saying "Honey why don't we scare the public into seeing how ready you would be, versus how unprepared Obama is, should that phone ring" I wonder if that phone ever rang and Hillary answered it to hear Monica asking if "Mr. President is there?" Hahahahahahahahaha!!! UGH! I crack myself up! Sheesh! Anyways I believe that she not only approved of this ad, but she may very well have helped in it's making. And I also believe that she is very much in control of her team, because if she's not then she shouldn't even be talking about "experience"...that would be too easy to prove!!
Sassys,
Last I heard, Fox News said he was joining and he said Fox News was full of it. lol I assumed he was supporting her, but I didn't hear that he had started advising her. Well, damn. If you've got the Ragin' Cajun on your team, and Mark Penn is the one doing the talking, you've got problems! lol
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LOL IG
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Ya know? Hah!
Oh, no Sassy - I meant
the photo being leaked. Not the ad. What I meant was that I'd like to think that the picture didn't get leaked from her camp, but it smells too much like old school campaigning! So, that I am fairly sure came from them as accused. And, what he's not been doing is simply his job. He's not showing up for votes, he's even not voted on bills he's created himself! And, the excuse from his manager has been that he's been too busy with his campaign! That's why it says a lot to me. If he can't handle the stress of being a senator and running for President, what makes me think he'll be able to juggle all of the things involved with running the country? And, Hillary has the press to keep an eye on her. We've already seen that!
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Well, Spooky, neither of them have been showing up
for votes. And I really don't have a problem with that. They can't be in 2 places at once. In fact, the press is making a pretty big deal out of them both taking time out to go and vote on the "pork barrel" bill. The press is keeping a pretty close eye on both of them.
As it was presented
As it was presented - it seems as though she's been "ducking" the votes that don't actually need her. But, it did disturbe me that he's not been voting on things that were important to his state or on things that he'd authored. I've not heard about the pork barrel bill, but have skipped the news the last couple of days. And, ya know, as sick as I am of the little crap, I'm still amazed that folks are as upset as they are about some of it. Ya, I'm for the "other side", but I'm also not pissed off when he questions her ability or her track record. That's what it's all about, right? Pointing out why one is more suited than the other. That's also why - even though I didn't like it - I didn't get upset over the red phone ad. And even when his came on a couple hours later, my only thoughts were - "Wow. We're gonna hear about this ad for frickin EVER!". LOL
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Naw, that doesn't bother me.
They both put the work in before the campaign started. They both worked on bills that they felt were important to their States, etc., etc. Actually, I've been impressed with the amount of work they both have always put into their jobs. It's accepted that they won't be there much while campaigning and I think it's really pulling at straws to critisize either of them for not being there.
And that ad? Like I said, I didn't see Obama's so don't know what it was all about - haven't even heard anyone but you mention it - but I don't have any more respect for something like that coming from him that I do for anyone else. It's alarmist for one thing and doesn't offer the voter anything to base a decision on except to put down the other candidate. Bad politics, if you ask me.
Yeah,
"Ya, I'm for the 'other side', but I'm also not pissed off when he questions her ability or her track record. That's what it's all about, right? Pointing out why one is more suited than the other."
Agreed. This is how people make decisions. I personally didn't care for the ad, and I thought that the fact that the girl is for Obama is one of those funny little curiosities. But an attack?? Nah. I didn't really see it that way. And I'm as big an Obama supporter as they come. Hillary is stating her opinion that she's better qualified to take that 3am call. I happen to disagree, but I'm sure she does believe that.
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The young lady in the add may not have been the
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one who contacted the media...Just to be fair, she was pissed off that they used her the way they did, and she herself said that she has been campaigning for Obama, so OF COURSE she would use the add to counter the Obama attack! That would be why she responded...Not because she is looking for 15 minutes of infamy!
Naw, don't buy it
Sorry, I just don't. Being as young as she was AND the fact that it was stock footage - not only would the press not track her down, a working or even non-working actress KNOWS how the biz works. Stock footage is used for whatever it's purchased for. End of story. If an actor has a problem with how it's used - that's on them. She could only be angry if the footage had been shot for one thing and used for another. But, even then, she'd have had to have had it in writing that it couldn't have been used for something else.
Sure, it IS possible that the press contacted her, but so highly unlikely that I'm willing to bet cold, hard cash that they didn't! The only way they'd consider tracking down the now grown kid is if she were a celebrity already and someone recognized her from the footage. Otherwise, it'd take too much time and effort on something that might not pay off. So, it's obvious that she contacted them. No one could have recognized her outside of her family, so to claim that she's angry to be portayed as a Hillary supporter when she's not is just ridiculous. Again, she was a small sleeping child in the spot - I know I certainly didn't see the ad and think "Wow, that kid likes Hillary, too!". But, more than anything, it's simply how the business works. It would be the same as ME selling a script, taking the contract as-is and then going to the press because the studio changed the whole thing. I'd have no right and no business bitching, because I know how it works. Sure, she was a kid at the time and her parents got her the gig. But, she's not s kid anymore and judging by the whoopla, she's bankning on not being an unknown any longer.
Oh, and let's not forget that Obama had his own red phone ad already. The only thing he's got going for him in that respect is that she got it on the air first. If he'd beat her to the punch, it'd be known now as his underhanded attack on her.
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yes Spooky but if she contacted them so what?
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I mean she is a big Obama supporter, so it probably ticked her off that his competition is using her...I don't see why that should be some sort of issue at all!
Hooker? LOL Hmmmmm!
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In MY add she would be in bed with daddy McCain! Now that's how you do twisted girls:):)
Naw, Sassys, that's not twisted.
A hooker in bed with McCain is just to be expected. On the other hand, I expect better from Obama. Since he's not a bible-thumping war-monger I expect he's got some morals. So, having a hooker in bed with Obama would be pretty twisted, I think. ;-D