The Gun Conversation After Virginia Tech

We've now had almost a week to reflect on the situation in Virginia last week. One of those conversations that's been big has been talking about whether there's enough gun control, whether it should be tighter, or, oddly enough, whether it's the restrictions that caused it.
Ted Nugent, whom we've talked about before, was asked about it by CNN. He said that if every student on that campus had been allowed to carry a gun that there's no way this guy would have been able to kill 32 people. He then went on to write an editorial, saying pretty much the same thing, and bringing up some other incidences where people were able to get their hands on their guns and stop further tragedies from occurring.
Initially, the argument started sounding pretty good, but that was still pretty close to the day of the event. As time has gone by, and we've learned a bit more about this guy, what's crystallized in my mind is that this type of thinking was absolutely incorrect.
There's two things here. One, if the laws had been followed properly, this guy wouldn't have been able to get his guns because, by law, his psychiatric record should have been a part of the police database that gets searched in that week that has to pass before someone can legally own a gun in Virginia, or almost anywhere else.
Two, this guy has proven to be a psychopath. The thinking has to be that, if everyone had guns, and he decided he wanted to kill people, he would have just escalated to the next thing, which is bombs and the like.
The idea that having more guns makes everything safer is idyllic, but incorrect. You think the people in Iraq are feeling safer with all the U.S. guns that are prevalent over there now? Does anyone here really think that, if this guy really had it in him to kill and kill big, that he wouldn't have just strapped a big bomb around himself, walked into the middle of a classroom, and detonated that sucker, especially since it seems he had the intention all along of taking himself out at the same time?
The point of gun control was to make sure that those who owned guns owned them legally. Hinckley and Chapman were able to legally buy their guns to shoot Lennon and Reagan. Could they have gotten them anyway? Probably. But the point is that there were lots of other guns around, at least for Reagan, and he got shot, along with others, anyway.
Having a gun won't protect you unless it's your job to be watching everyone and you have your gun at the ready. If you don't see it coming, all you're doing is providing some free ammunition to someone else who might have the time and the wherewithal to stop, pick it up, and use it on someone else.
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Very good post
Very good post
Thank you, angelface,...
do I assume, by the way, that you were born in 1979?
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Excellent points, our Catfish.
I especially appreciate your logic that this guy, being a psychopath, would simply advance to next "best killer-thriller", if everyone had the same modes of protection. The reason why people wield guns as a form of power is because there are many others who simply don't have them; and this is known. Your mention of Iraq, in that respect, is thus very reasonable; as well as in the respect that the Iraqis do not feel safer with more folks having guns. How can they feel safer, with so much killing going on? Why should we, over here, think that we would have a different experience?
(Clearly, it is partly your fault why bloggerparty is becoming a forum for sensible conversation. Can't find much fluff these days, with you around; or maybe it's no longer as appealing. I blame you for that!)
Well then, Miss I,...
guess I'm going to have to "fluff" it up just a bit more around here, in between my rants on real subjects.
Thanks for the words on the comment. I did have to weigh it all before writing.
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I enjoyed the post, our Catfish.
Good weighing. I would say your judgement here was quite rational. I, for one, would not like to own a gun. Aside from the fact that I have no psychopathic delusions (well...except in regard to child molestors and such) I could never learn to shoot a gun. I would probably end up shooting myself!
And I look forward to your fluff, as long as it does not involve story-telling, with yourself and/or sassypus as the author(s) and me as the central character :D
Thanks Lionheart,...
I had to take time to think it all through, that's for sure. Thing is, it happens in other countries also, but it doesn't seem to be as prevalent. Wasn't it about 4 or 5 years ago that the same thing happened in England at some school, with much younger kids? For that matter, wasn't there an incident in, of all places, Russia within the last year?
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Thanks Lionheart,...
I had to take time to think it all through, that's for sure. Thing is, it happens in other countries also, but it doesn't seem to be as prevalent. Wasn't it about 4 or 5 years ago that the same thing happened in England at some school, with much younger kids? For that matter, wasn't there an incident in, of all places, Russia within the last year?
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And that's why,...
I support gun control efforts.
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Wow, Catfish. Wish I'd said that.
All I have to add is - What Catfish said! That goes double for me!
Great post - great rant - very eloquent.
Guns
It seems the "gunners" try to stand behind the 2nd Ammendment. I wonder how many understand the ammendment? It says:
Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Why was the 2nd ammendment written in 1791? It was so the early pioneers and settlers would have a weapon to protect themselves from raiding Indians and to use the gun (musket) to hunt game and provide food for the family.
Today we see gun shows advertised with automatic weapons and machine guns and all sorts of pistols and rifles. These are not the guns that the 2nd Ammendment was written to protect!
When I entered military service and was handed my rifle the first thing the instructor told us was: "These weapons are meant to kill the enemy, not each other".
There are so many guns on the streets today in hands of lunatics that it would be hard to place any controls on the sale of these weapons. The NRA tries to claim that they are trying to control guns being on the streets and yet they endorse these big gun shows. It almost makes a person sick.
I learned how to use a gun in the military service, but I have never owned one since my honorable discharge.
Just my opinion.
Rob
Thanks for sharing, isiscot,...
I'm not opposed to people owning rifles for hunting, mainlyi because those things are hard to conceal. I do have a big problem with a lot of the other things out there, but even with that, if folks would just follow the laws already there, and possibly tighten them up some, at least we'd feel a little more secure than we do now.
Course, any of us can easily obtain an illegal gun, whether directly or indirectly; that's not good long term.
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