The Geminian offers that people are usually offended by the idea of "coming from an ape." The truth, better said is not that we come apes but we and apes evolved from the same species which evolved from a, or rather, THE species all species evolved from, some nameless one celled organism that probably lived just long enough to reproduce offspring that were a little less susceptible to the life threatening ecological factors that killed it. Those offspring, in turn, did the same and so on.

The Earth's climate is different in any one spot, so as these fledgling organisms I will dub "The Alpha-Geminians" spread, they did not stay in one spot, rather they were all subject to different ecological factors. As a result, the minuscule changes from one generation to the next were different in different places.

Different species would easily develop, especially in microscopic species. Evolution is just one species passing information, which we know happens, to the next,(example: we have thumbs, our children have them, information was passed.) This information that will help the new species survive better than the last, in that climate, be it swim faster, grow more hair or think.

If the earth had the same climate all over, then life would have died out a long time ago, as the changes in ecological variables and the changes in evolution move in tandem.
Now this evolution may all be very complicated, a god would not have to abide by these very strict and unforgiving rules. In fact, an all powerfully being could make you, animated and all, without a heart, without blood or any innerds (innards? that word makes me laugh) at all, nor would have to obey gravity or sleep. Ya feelin' me now?

We have brains, they are for survival, we have mastered survival, since then we have just been bored.

The Geminian responds to comments from Atlastorm:

"If the offspring was less susceptible to ecological factors, why and how did the parent form or survive?"

TG: The parent alpha-geminian was exposed to many ecological factors during its lifespan and if the parent survived in these climates, then they could pass on information valuable to several climates.

"How did these alpha-geminians spread?"

TG: Alpha-geminians were aquatic also relying on water movement for mobility. It is also safe to assume that the alpha-geminians were "autosexual?" They produced offspring without a mate.

"Why was the reproductive gene transferred during the first reproduction?"

TG: For the purposes of reproduction.

"but if it can spread thumbs, why not thoughts or wisdom?"

TG: Thoughts and knowledge of the mind are intangible, thumbs are not.

"An organism (alpha-Geminian) can survive 'something'. But this survival cannot be inherent or 'received' from a parent. It has to form from 'within' the capabilities of the organism itself."

TG: The survival of the alpha-G probably depended on few factors, none of which was knowledge, food, (plants), heat, (the sun or generates its own), and not being eaten, (The alpha-G had no predators to begin with.) I would suppose the alpha-G was not mobile, but rather relied on the water's current to aid in obtaining food. I would also suppose that the alpha-G was not the first "life", which would be one-celled plant of some sort, nor was it the first animal life, but the first "prototype" animal life to reproduce successfully, allowing it the opportunity to evolve, and later to become all things animal. A thing must exist before it can be evolved. I suppose the alpha-G sprang from and fed on dead plant material, possibly a bacteria?

"Secondly, how was reproduction invented?"

TG: The first reproduction was just cell division, later came "cloning,"or "budding," all were asexual reproduction. Sexual reproduction came much later.

"If an organism (alpha-G)has 'survived' as you claim, then it is NOT dead."

TG: In actuality, the alpha-G has survived, through evolution, until today in every form of animal life still going.

"What gave rise to reproduction.. I'm not looking for a general answer, Geminian. You know that won't do. A very specific answer is necessary that can be verified scientifically. We don't have the answer to this mystery yet."

TG: Reproduction, see if this is not scientifically verifiable, was an absolute requirement of the Alpha-G, not a trait picked up later in evolution, but required for evolution to even begin. Evolution "happens," only in reproduction, (Evolution implies reproduction). Sexual reproduction became necessary once the alph-G's evolutionary stucture became too complicated for asexual reproduction.

"Alpha-G were aquatic, but why did they branch off to land a million years later? If they could have, why didn't they do it before?"

TG: I suppose that the alpha-G started in water and later came to land. This is because all life requires water, the alpha-G was aquatic because of all this. There is a possibility that at the time life formed, the earth had no "land," but reguardless the alpha-G came ashore when the environment was conducive to it and the requirement to do so arose. The requirement specifically is not really necessary to identify, as whatever it was it was, was "required" and "possible, so the alpha-G did. I suppose it was the requirement for the alpha-G's newer complicated stucture which required it to go on land for more food, or that after plantlife established itself on land, the alpha-G hung around the shore for a millenia, slowly evolving stucture that could support itself in the less dense atmosphere with a greater gravitational pull and could breathe air.

"If the environment wasn't conducing to survival, how come there are prehistoric superbugs that can survive extreme heat and cold?"

TG: The ability to survive extreme heat and cold had already been achieved long before insects, in the ocean.

"The question boils down to: what exactly is survival?"

Survival is really just the ability to reproduce. Reproduction is survival, evolution happens when the survived's evironmental factors requires it. Survival is not required beyond reproduction unless the reproduced needs protecting or nuturing before, during, and after birth, therefore, reproduction - the creating of new life- is the survival of the alpha-G, and "living" beyond it is unecessary.

"What are we surviving?"

Mostly, extinction for every form of the alpha-G. Life is much like fire, it needs fuel, and goes on as long as there is fuel, the more fuel, the more fire. Also, fire does not know it must keep burning, but it does so anyway, and like life came from just a "spark." Life will burn until it burns out. A fire burns or "survives" but there is no why or what it survives.

"Just because we reproduce, can we guarantee the success of survival? We know this is not true, for many species of creatures before us have perished (into extinction)"

TG: As I have said, reproduction is survival, the guarantee is never there, only an increased probability, no reproduction, no probability.

"Why is reproduction relevant to survival. Why couldn't the Alpha-G survive 'enough' to last millions of years?"

TG: It has survived, it has because it reproduced and evolved. "Survival" is not survival as it pertains to any one individual organism, but as it is for any specific species and life as a whole. The alpha-G survived in one form to become a Panda bear, who evolved to be sustained by bamboo, but that survival is based on the availability of bamboo and the bamboo habitat, or on the ability of the panda to evolve. No bamboo, no evolutionary change, no panda. Survival is reproduction, evolution is survival through reproduction and extinction is not death to the alpha-G but merely evidence that it has evolved once again into a new form. Extinction may just be a characteristic of successful evolution.

"Where is the 'inherent' flaw? Even more alarming, why is there an inherent flaw?"

The inherent flaw within life is that life has requirements for survival, and that after proportional reproduction any particular alpha-G's continued existance is no longer required for survival and that, after all. life itself is not required for or by anything, it serves no purpose and has no goal. It is merely "burning."

"Again, why are thoughts intangible. Of course they are tangible. We can't hold them in our hands, but that's the case with air too. Thoughts are axons at work. That much is acknowledged by neurologists."

TG: Thoughts are more than axons at work in that, breathing requires these same kinds of electrical "energy" as a thought, but thought requires "language" or images in it's formation, neither of which are tangible. Thoughts are language or images. They require many axons or many synapses. Anything tangible has uniformity from one instance to another. If thoughts were tangible, we would all have the same thoughts, and conciousness would not be required, as all information passed would be automatic and uniform. As you might have noticed my thoughts are not uniform.

"We also know that there is such a thing called memory. If genes (one kind of information) can be passed on, then why not memory (another kind of information)?"

Memory is the retapping of an already established path of synaptic firing, one must first form the synaptic path before it can be reused (or remembered.) At birth we have no memory, because we have yet to make use of those synapsis, once used and reinforced, they become memory. Walking, a very basic ability for many species, but we are not born with the knowledge of how to walk, only the equipment. We must learn how to walk, one a a time, each of us, every generation. If memory were inherited, then surely walking or language would be among that information.

(In Response to Veenus' comments: "Sorry, but this sounds so narrow to me, so academically shallow."

(The Geminian: I think what you want to say is that my definition is too simple and does not fit in with what you hold to be valuable - purpose. Having no purpose for being is hard to accept, but so are most truths and it is the case.)

Life serves no purpose? Purpose may well be just another probability, (I am not sure what I mean by this) but as you know, probabilities become possibilities and possibilities become realities over a period of time. While we have the option of possibilities, or probable futures, there will always be a purpose.

TG: I need help understanding your logic here, but there is a possibility that I am correct. )

Maybe the purpose is the evolution of the soul?

TG: This is where we lose our common mental currency, as I do not know what a soul is, nor can I define it, or suppose it's evolution from one (unknown) stage to another (unknown) stage. How is a soul kept in tandem with the physical body? What tethers it to you? How tall is your soul? Does it rise above your head 2 feet? If you trip does your soul trip also? Do all living things have a soul? If not, why? Please define a "soul" for me. It is hard to define something with another undefined term.

These comments too, I am not clear about: "if thoughts were tangible, we would all have the same thoughts, and consciousness would not be required, as all information passed would be automatic and uniform."

TG: Water is tangible, also it is uniform, the same for all things tangible. If thoughts were tangible, they too would be uniform from person to person, if all thoughts were uniform, they would be automatic and predetermined, I could have no Original Thought, as it would not be uniform.

"Surely each emotion we have creates a thought, and that 'thought' creates a reality?"

TG:Again, I don't understand this logic, emotion creates thought, thought creates reality. Reality is dependant on thought and thought is dependant on emotion? Therefore reality is dependant on emotion? Please explain further.

And you write: "we are not born with the knowledge of how to walk, only the equipment.

TG: "We must learn how to walk, one a a time, each of us, every generation. If memory were inherited, then surely walking or language would be among that information."

I disagree on this. I believe we are born with knowledge of how to walk. Some babies as young as 8 months get up off their diaper-bottoms and start walking, in the very same way they crawled at four or five months without being taught. Language too is already there from the start, even though the capacity to express is not. These capabilities already exist along with the equipment, and all that is required from the human baby is to 'evolve' as it were, towards the maturity of being able to use their inherent equipment."

TG: A newborn can be observed in the crib, flailing its arms about seemingly uncontrollably, but it is this time that the baby is "learning" how to control its' limbs, this happens long before 8 months. Language cannot be inherited because language has many variations, English , Chinese, Latin, if language were somehow passed through DNA then we all would have the ability to speak every language in our long lineages. If an American and a Russian mate, what language would the child inherit? A child has to "learn" language, through trial and error, like walking, in every generation.

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