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Of Liberty, Justice, and What "All" Means

Iraq | justice | liberty | O Ceallaigh's Observations | politics | republicanism | Special Forces

Some of you might have been following the exchanges I've had in recent days with a blogger named Jake. Jake is good folks. He is in training to become a Special Forces operative - a Green Beret, if you will. And apparently, a bard, of sorts. His blog sometimes expresses opinions that are, um, a little right of center. But he's thoughtful about it, and - unlike some others - he's prepared to listen thoughtfully to other views. Especially when those views update our understanding of the underlying history and sociology for an event or opinion. And (lest we forget) he is one of those who has sworn (or affirmed) to defend our right to choose to waste away in front of American Idol, and to die - yes, I said die - in that defense if necessary. So, he gets my respect. And my arguments.

Like about al-Zarqawi and his habit of beheading captives with dull knives. Barbaric, right? We would never do any such thing, right? Um, no. We have on our consciences a minor little event in Kansas called the Pottawatomie Massacre, in which a gentleman by the name of John Brown and his associates grabbed five pro-slavery Kansas settlers more or less at random and, in the words of James M. McPherson, “coolly split open their skulls with broadswords�. Pictures at 11 – or there would have been if this had happened in 2006 instead of 1856. Hey, waitaminute, isn’t John Brown the abolitionist martyr, who died because he was trying to free slaves? The one that John Brown’s Body, the song sung to the tune that later became hitched to the poem The Battle Hymn of the Republic, is about? Yes, the very same. And if you’d lived in Virginia in 1859, you’d have called John Brown a terrorist. And you would have been right. But Virginia didn’t win the Civil War …

So I’m going back-and-forth with Jake on topics like this, and I find myself reflecting on several things. Like why so many of us are so riled up about our involvement in Iraq. And at the same time are obsessed with “supporting the troops� over there. Wondering how one can “hate the war but love our soldiers�.

Y’see, back in the Vietnam era, it was harder to have discussions with active-duty soldiers like the ones that Jake and I are having now. No, not because we didn’t have the Internet back then. My God, how did we cope? But because such discussions demoralized the troops. Or were thought to. Facts are dangerous things, even in a country that preaches “liberty and justice for all�. “Liberty� includes our willingness to acknowledge facts; for instance, that we, as well as they, have been known to use dull knives. Or weapons of mass destruction. And, “liberty� includes our willingness to use such facts to beat on our soldiers who, in the Universal Soldier ethic that was current during the Vietnam era, are as much responsible for the atrocities of war as our Presidents. An ethic that is a direct descendant of the principle established in the Nuremberg Trials after World War II, in which the individual soldier was held responsible for his actions; the “following orders� defense was not allowed. This, I think, was how many of us used our liberty in the Vietnam era. And we lost the war.

So am I trying to turn Jake into a hippie? Hardly. I don’t choose to use my liberty in this way. My point in arguing with Jake is not “You’re wrong, stop shooting� as it was in Vietnam, but rather “We have given you this job. Do it. Do it well. And while you’re doing it, remember what it is We the People claim we stand for.� Liberty. And justice. For all. Everybody. US and non-US. The ability to discuss, freely and openly, what the facts are and how they apply. To act on those discussions, whether the actions are wise or stupid, accept the consequences for those actions, learn from them, and go on. The idea of basing a Government on this principle was radical in 1776; have we forgotten that Lincoln, and practically all of the great American leaders who preceded him, called our form of government “The Great Experiment�? The idea is radical now – for our current opponents all (to my knowledge anyway) consist of people and groups who would stifle any such liberty, whether the excuse is a God or a demagogue. Who fear any such liberty, lest their special privileges be infringed.

It takes a long time, and hard work, to learn how to live “liberty and justice for all�. We the People have hardly perfected it. It took places like Germany and Japan, and even our own Southeast, a decade or more to learn it under our tutelage, perfect or less so, after a war. Germany had to have two cracks at it – the first time they wound up with Hitler. Bzzzaaat. But it’s the thing we have to sell. The idea that you can have personal liberty and still run a functioning society, indeed a society that, for all its paint chips and rust spots, runs better than anybody else’s. How else did we get to suck up all our own energy sources and most of the rest of the world’s as well, eh? The hope for it has sustained many a population under a despot’s domination. Populations that now have a (more) republican form of government, and are doing well by it.

Maybe that’s at the core of the disquiet over our current leadership’s management of things. Why some of us, myself included, continue to “obsess� over Abu Ghraib. Over Guantanamo. For if our message to the rest of the world is “liberty and justice for all�, we ought to be in good shape. If, however, our message is “Meet the new boss / Same as the old boss�, we’re in trouble.

Which one of these does it look like to you?

   - O Ceallaigh

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IntricateGirl's picture

"My point in arguing with

"My point in arguing with Jake is not “You’re wrong, stop shooting� as it was in Vietnam, but rather “We have given you this job. Do it. Do it well. And while you’re doing it, remember what it is We the People claim we stand for.� Liberty. And justice. For all. Everybody. US and non-US. The ability to discuss, freely and openly, what the facts are and how they apply. To act on those discussions, whether the actions are wise or stupid, accept the consequences for those actions, learn from them, and go on."

This sentence is where a good deal of my own inner turmoil concerning the military is brewing. Soliders are doing a job I find difficult to support, often have politics that are exactly the opposite of my own, and work very hard to support a government that I am questioning. In short, we don't have a lot to talk about. BUT, they are for liberty and justice, not just in concepts and vague ideas, but at the heart of the matter. And that's something I hold very important and sacred. So it's my own problem I'm dealing with to figure out how to mesh the two ideas. And that's why I too obsess over things like you mentioned.

But if you want to be like them, you'll have to emulate. -Ayria

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I hear you, Intricate

You'll probably have guessed my response. We the People assign the task. Once its assigned, the professionals take over. Or there's no point in having professionals. No professional in any field likes having the boss rip a job out from under that professional. Which means the boss - We the People - have to be careful what jobs we assign.

In 2002, there were not many voices raised in opposition to the Iraq invasion. Most, in fact, if my memory has not gone completely haywire, were raised in favor. Few doubted the "weapons of mass destruction" claims, and those that did were called yellow. And various other names. Not many paid attention to the voices of reason, such as "You break it, you fix it" - and those few voices which were technically in a position to be heard were soon silenced.

That was our decision. We the People engaged the professionals in Iraq. I think that We the People, if we are not in fact to deserve the appelation "yellow", need to keep those professionals at the task we set. Reminding them, as in the post, of what we are supposed to stand for - something that has become obscured by the current Administration, which we also hired and have, so far, for good or ill, foreborne to fire. To rededicate ourselves to the hard task of setting our political and social systems on the right track again. One that the world can see is to their advantage to support.

More and more I think of Churchill's "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat" - spoken to an almost bankrupt Britain facing Blitz and possible invasion by Hitler's Wehrmacht. I think we do ourselves no service by pretending that our path back to where we should be as a nation will be any less arduous.

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And as one of that minority

And as one of that minority that was not in favor of the Iraq invasion, I am left trying to escape the black hole of "I told you so."

The only issue I have with anything you've written here is that it was easy in a way for Churchill to say that. I've been to a personal level of his famous statement, where I felt reduced to nothingness. Like there is nothing to do but build, and no raw materials are left to use.

In parts of Britain, I know around Bath, and I am certain that it is true of many places, there are still walls that are black from the bombs of WW2. At first, they just never got around to it. Now, it's a memorial of a strange sort. That is their scar to notice everyday, and to know that they came through the trials more or less intact. But where are our scars? America is content to recognize soverign nations when it is time to take them out, but not when it is time to rebuild them. And what do we have here to show? 9/11?? Does anybody still REALLY believe that 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq (please don't answer that, I know the answer and it makes me a little ill)? And without scars, what is there to remind us? Nothing. Our economy is not bad, we complain about gas but drive the biggest vehicles on the planet- life is good. I say that Churchill had it easy because when he stands looking at a bombed out Britain and asks, "Now what?" it's easy to see exactly what next. So I ask "now what" of America, and so far the only answer is a very confused look on their face. We cannot agree whether the war is over, and if it is, how do we proceed.

You mentioned Star Trek the other day; now it's my turn. On the first episode of Stark Trek: TNG, Q held the human race on trial for being a savage, child race. They encountered a new life form and Q expected them to destroy it because it was different and firing upon their allies. They did not. I cannot help but wonder whether Q was looking at the human race circa 2006.

But if you want to be like them, you'll have to emulate. -Ayria

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The minority view

Hindsight is 20-20, ain't it?

America is content to recognize soverign nations when it is time to take them out, but not when it is time to rebuild them.

Actually, this is the historical norm, I think. Our recent history is dominated with the image of the exception, the rebuilding of former adversaries Germany and Japan. Of course, this event was viewed through the twin prisms of the disaster of Versailles and the imminent threat of the Soviet Union - and it was hotly debated in the US in the first years after WWII, when a large number of Americans wanted no more than to dismantle every vestige of the war effort and the entanglements in Europe and elsewhere. The Marshall Plan was by no means automatic. Imagine what the world would be now if that vision had failed ...

As you must know by now, I think the issues in America far transcend the war in Iraq. In few: are we so immersed in our things that we have forgotten why we have prospered? Have we gone from modelling a dream to protecting our stash? Every good sports coach knows that "protecting a lead" is the surest way to lose it. We tolerate corruption at all levels of life, 'cause otherwise we might lose something. Churchill was, after all, a politician. He made points throughout his career that were the equivalent of "blood, toil, tears, and sweat", but (for example, during the "appeasement" policies of Neville Chamberlain) they were largely ignored. Until history put them in stark contrast - and then they became "words for the ages". If we are the learning beings we are supposed to be, we should take the lesson and learn to act before the Nazi hordes are camped on the banks of the Channel. sigh.

As for Q and "savage, child race": it takes one to know one. Amazing how, almost without exception, human conceptions of Supreme Beings make them out to be overlarge, thoroughly spoiled infants. I guess we can't see any benefit in Omnipotence unless we can use it to trash those whom we think have spit on us.

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You are probably right.

"Actually, this is the historical norm, I think."

Now that I think about it, you might be right. The further back in history I go, the more this seems true.

"Have we gone from modelling a dream to protecting our stash?"

Let me ask you this then. Was there ever a time we weren't just protecting our way of life rather than modelling a dream? We came over here because we wanted to keep our religion. We declared independence because we didn't want to pay taxes without somebody to protect our interests back in England. We fought a Civil War because the South wanted to keep their slaves. Have we ever been anything other than a nation of greedy little pigs?

Re: Supreme Beings. We cannot comprehend being a deity, so we project our own issues onto any God we worship. What's the old saying? God created us in His own image, and we've been trying to return the favor ever since.

But if you want to be like them, you'll have to emulate. -Ayria

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I Think

I Think we the people support our beloved troops because they are our children and husbands,wives,fathers and mothers who were ordered over there. We support them. What we don't support is a war which the American people didn't want. The leadership in this counrty sent those soldiers there over on trumped up charges because THEY wanted a war.

So we can support the troops and hate the war.

How about bringing them back to shore up our borders!

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