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Name The Names

bullying | child violence

It's time we got some names, if you ask me.

I'm talking about the news story about the 8 teenaged girls who trapped, beat, then continued to beat another teenaged girl until even her own father couldn't recognize her when he went to the hospital.

Of course they didn't stop there. They actually recorded the event and tried to post it online to humiliate her even more. It was intercepted by the police, but somehow it still got online, with the poor young woman's face blacked out; thank goodness.

Not only are they talking about trying these stupid kids as adults, along with the two boys who stood guard, but they're saying all of them could end up getting life in prison for kidnapping and assault.

I'm not quite sure I think life is appropriate, but I believe there should be some serious jail time, and I believe their names should be given out, and can't figure out why we haven't gotten them yet. From what I understand, when they were arrested all of them were laughing about it, and one of them actually asked if they'd be out in time for cheerleading practice.

I don't have any kids, but I can't believe that this kind of stupidity could possibly be common. Supposedly it all started because one of them said this girl was saying bad things about them. That's enough of a reason for a gang beating? I think it's the heat; it happened in Lakeland Florida after all.

This stuff makes me sick. I always feel the perpetrators of things like this deserve a little bit of it in return. Not quite an eye for an eye, but maybe something stern. Unfortunately, all we have is prison and humiliation; I'll take that for now.

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Certainly an interesting

peek into the mind of a young person. Seems so naive to think you could post something like that on youtube and not get into big trouble.

Secondly, it is so mean to have no remorse even after being been hauled to the police station.

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You got that right,...

it's a shame, and they deserve to be punished.

And now the names are out, and they are:

Brittni Hardcastle, Brittany Mayes and Mercades Nichols, all 17. They are accused of driving Lindsay around afterward and threatening to beat her again if she talked to law enforcement.

The other three girls are April Cooper, 14; Kayla Hassell, 15; and Cara Murphy, 16.

Stephen Schumaker, 18, and Zachary Ashley, 17, are accused of acting as lookouts.

Punks.

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spookyyank's picture

how about a mental ward?

I'm thinking along the lines of a state hospital - somewhere where these girls would get a GOOD dose of humiliation, a good dose of fricking therapy, and no one who could teach them how to become better criminals. Even 6 months would be enough to have these girls NEVER thinking of doing something to anyone else!

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I like that, Spooky,...

and, of course, what also troubles me about this story is that a couple of the parents of the girls seem to be saying that this other girl got what she deserved. There are few people who ever end up deserving something like this, and when it does happen, we usually know about it. If she was a 6'10" bully who has been going around beating up on people and they decided, as a gang, that it was the only way to take her down, that would be one thing. But she wasn't, not even close, so the response was way out of proportion.

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It's just crazy, catfish

Too many parents are coming out saying their kids were justified when they harmed someone. That girl's parents - the one who tormented the classmate til she killed herself - those parents thought that their kid wasn't at fault and ok'd what she'd been doing. I don't understand it and agree with you. If she'd been a major tormenor of those girls and they decided to teach her a lesson, it could at least be a little understood. NOT the way to handle it, but they're kids.
Another good thing would be to make sure that this incident follows the girls to any prosepctive college they apply to. Clearly, they think what they did won't really affect them, so they need several doses of reality, here!

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Ok Catfish sorry but I think it's not right what you

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just did! If my 14 year old was involved (she would NEVER do this) but IF she were involved in something like this, I as her parent would beat her ass myself. Now you telling the world these kids names just puts you almost on a par with the kids! WTF??? I know that they deserve to be punished for what they did, no doubt about that. But you don't tell us your real name now do you? Granted you have not beat the daylights out of anybody (that we know of) but you do NOT have the right to "out" these kids because it pisses you off that they aren't getting enough punishment...you are better then that no? Unless you yourself are in law enforcement, you are NOT a judge and you are NOT GOD! If I were the parent of that 14 year old girl whom you just so nonchalantly outed in your rage, I would be gunning for your ass big time...ooops I wouldn't be able to touch you because I DON"T KNOW YOUR REAL NAME! See? This really pissed me off!

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I didn't out them, Sassys,...

the press has outed them. It's on CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, NY Times,... it's everywhere. I don't live in Florida, so I couldn't have found out their names if it wasn't on the news. It was law enforcement that released the names; I'm just repeating it here.

So, don't shoot the secondary messenger; I didn't originate it. But, since they're being tried as adults, they get what they deserve.

And, by the way, sure you know my real name. lol

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And now thanks to you Catfish it is

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in the blog world too. Where is your compassion? I know what they did is horrific, but the 16 year old and the 14 year old? They are being tried as adults, right? Do you know that a child's brain is not even done fully developing until they are 17 years old? What they deserve is a very serious psychiatric evaluation, then intense therapy. I am not shooting you, just aiming:)

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I kind of understand you, Sassys,...

but as someone with no children, I can't make a distinction between what these kids calculatingly did and what this 13 year old kid from my area did about 14 years ago when he lured a 3 year old into the woods and killed him. Just asking, but if they had killed this girl would the circumstances change for you?

In essence, they could have killed her, and they're being tried for felony crimes because of it. I have no compassion for this sort of thing. I cracked a bully across the back with a plank as a kid because I was tired of him picking on me, and had I the stomach I might have tried to maim him for life, but that wasn't my style. But I never got a gang of people together to fight my battles, and I certainly never laughed about it. Where's my compassion? It's for the young lady who will never hear well again and might have suffered brain damage for the rest of her life.

And trust me, we both know I'm not the only one who's put these people's names out in the blogging world. That, plus we also know that the overwhelming majority of people aren't going to come to BP to learn it, that's for sure. Arianna Huffington's blog, which gets thousands of readers per day, has the names there; a heck of a lot more people are going to learn it from her than from anything I post here.

We're moving into an era where children are making some really bad decisions as it pertains to others, and the laws are about to drastically change. The 8 and 9 year olds who planned on beating the teacher and got caught that very day, well, they didn't get to go through with the crime, so not reporting that makes sense. But what if they'd actually gotten away with it and killed the teacher?

These kids were much older than 8 & 9 year olds. Even children have to be ready to accept the negative consequences of negative behavior. If you were the mother of the girl who was beaten, on whose side would your compassion be right now?

By the way, if they weren't being charged as adults, then I'd agree their names should be hidden. But once you step up to the big leagues,...

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Well in all honesty Catfish I would

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do two things...one, I would SUE the living shit out of the PARENTS, and two, I would strongly advise the PARENTS to get their kids some psychiatric help. My kids had issues in school with bullies, especially my son and the way I approached it was through the bullies PARENTS! There are all kinds of ways of dealing with bullies...restraining orders work very well because it alerts the PARENTS that their kids are bullies. If I were the PARENT of the young girl who was attacked I would sue! I would also be pissed off for sure, but what possible "rehabilitation" do you think a long sentence will get the "perps" here? They will learn HOW to hone their bullying craft and grow up with even more rage...Jail is not the solution.

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I think the jail time, Sassys,...

is supposed to be more of a deterrent to the next group of idiots who try this rather than for these kids. If this punishment is anything other than jail time, then a bunch of kids will be be doing the same type of thing, and I think that sets a dangerous precedent. So you sue the parents; the kids still get off scot free. As it is, some of these parents were intimating that the girl who got beat deserved what she got; nope, I can't support that either.

Course, everyone has to be glad I don't have a child, and that this wasn't my child who was beaten, because every single one of those kids would be dead or maimed seriously before they even got to trial. That's probably the over-protective person I am, but I never got even, I got "more" even. That one bully who messed with me never came near me again, and he was too ashamed to tell anyone else what I did to him, except my dad, who gave me a punishment of 10 seconds of silence.

No, suing wouldn't be good enough for me; someone would have to hurt bad. Good thing I'm not religious.

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The best deterrent Catfish should be

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some prison time ok...but if you want to deter other kids then show a video on "my space" "face book" of the kids that did this heading off to jail with handcuffs on etc. They should arrest the parents that believe this girl "deserved" the beating...there should be a bad parents Jail....can you imagine that? I am going to write a blog about that RIGHT now:)

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I do believe, Sassys,...

that saying these kids have the possibility of life is extreme. Putting them in a serious penal colony might be a bit tough also, but they definitely need to be in a place other than a boarding school or group home, so to speak.

I'll have to check your post on bad parents, for sure. I can understand trying to support your kid, but if you're also not ready to discipline your kid for the behavior, you should have your behind hauled before someone for questionable parenting skills.

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Yes Catfish that's what I mean!!

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I don't want to see these kids go scott free either, especially knowing that I share the same planet, however their parents should be held accountable to some degree. If they don't know that their own kid is capable of this type of behavior, then they don't know what their kids are up to, which in return tells me they are not involved enough in their own kids lives! Hence BAD parents! They should put the kids in a cell with their own parents! HEY!! BY JOVE I THINK I HAVE IT!!!

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I hear ya, Sassys,...

it's the type of option that would definitely not let negligent parents off the hook. Not withstanding that there are some bad seeds out there, I tend to believe that an overwhelming majority of kids have parents who have turned the other way most of their lives. And that's a shame.

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I know your real name? LOL

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I might but I am an old bat:( I have a quick forgetter:(

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I got lucky then, Sassys,...

because I remember yours, but I think I have it written somewhere also. No matter; not like your name is so uncommon that it would out you forever. ;-P

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ms zola's picture

Even if their brains are not fully formed

They still know the difference between right and wrong. Just because all of the neurons haven't fully developed doesn't mean they can't distinguish between behavior that is acceptable or unacceptable...all the neurons do at this point is deepen which means they mature in what they already know. These kids at their ages should have known what they did was wrong....if they don't then they exhibit a sociopath's, maybe even psychopathic behavior and not immaturity due to unlengthened neurons.

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Oh great, and now,...

it would seem that there are copycats who are doing the same things, and on purpose. This is why this mess needs to be cracked down on, and hard.

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