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Israel and Lebanon: Babies Dying

In the current conflict between Israel and Lebanon innocent babies are dying every day. It makes the sane and sensible among us want to leave this planet so beam us up,Scotty.

It doesn't matter whether these babies are Lebanese or Israelis, they are somebody's babies and some mother is wondering why her innocent child has been murdered. America and Britain (judging by Blair and Bush's words that were not meant to be overheard) are not taking this conflict seriously enough. One has to wonder whether their attitudes would change if it was their children who were dying.

There has to be some serious debate and maybe action here. Both sides it would seem believe in collective guilt and have no qualms about children dying. This is a world gone mad. Surely no-one can watch the images on television without feeling something. Get real Bush and Blair, Israel and Lebanon, children are our future, they don't come back from the dead. The only sensible response to this is that of Wabbit at writingup, "Beam us up, Scotty."

suejeff – July 18, 2006 – 2:39am
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And what would you have Bush & Blair do?

How could you mention baby killers in Lebanon and Israel without naming the perpetrators of this evil: Hezbollah (Party of God). Hezbollah, backed by Syria and Iran are individually and solely responsible for this skirmish. Serious debate? The only thing Western Civilization needs to do is to name the enemy in this runup to WWIII: Islamo-Fascism. "Beaming up" is exactly what the Wabbists want us to do, it saves them the trouble of killing us.

To the Islamo-Fascists, dead babies are nothing but collateral damage on their way to Jihad and 73-virgins. How can you reason with the unreasonable? Once you name the true enemy, what would you do to save your bacon? What can Bush and Blair do that they aren't already doing and are getting flack for?

Regards,
Wolfgang

wolfgang – July 18, 2006 – 3:14pm
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The point that I was trying to make and that Wabbit made was that the killing has to stop. As for Bush and Blair I think that they are also fascists. Between them all they will wipe humanity off the face of the planet. There is no justification for what is going on, and what is going on is against the Geneva Convention. As was Bush and Blair's invasion of Iraq.
suejeff

suejeff – July 19, 2006 – 12:06am
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New Game: Name Your Enemy

Ah, yes. Bush & Blair are fascists. Uha-hum.

But perhaps we need to be sure that we're talking about the same thing here. To me, and most others, the antagonists in this particular skirmish is Hezbollah. They unilaterally started hostilities against Israel. Can we at least agree on that? If so, we can then discuss motivations.

Also, should I know Wabbit? What did they say besides "Beam me up!"?

Regards,
Wolfgang

wolfgang – July 19, 2006 – 10:29am
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Hi Wolfgang. I was referring to a post that was written on writingup by wabbit huntur.

All parties are acting in a fascist manner. In a situation like this who started it is no longer the point, it is who is going to act in such a manner that the killing stops. Ok the soldiers should not have been kidnapped but as enlisted men they were at least prepared for some kind of combat. Just as Bush and Blair did in Iraq, so both parties here are killing civilians, many of whom are innocent children. This is why it has to stop.

Regards,
suejeff

suejeff – July 19, 2006 – 2:19pm
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Come on, you can do it!

All you have to say is, "Yes, Hezbollah started this skirmish". Your statement that it doesn't now matter who started it when talking about how to stop it doesn't make sense to me. Your mention of Bush & Blair is a red herring. Hezbollah started attacking Israel because it's their core philosophy. They want all Jews dead and all of Israel returned to the control of the Mullahs. Simple. Everything they do and have done is in furtherance of their philosophy. Indeed, Hezbollah is a proxy for the real movers/shakers in Syria and Iran who want global conflagration.

So, my question remains: How can you stop the current skirmish when the attacker wants to keep killing? What do you think Hezbollah should do? What do you think Israel should do? Why would Hezbollah stop when they haven't yet achieved their goals? Why would Israel stop when they're still being attacked? Would you want Bush/Blair to forceably stop it? Then, once this skirmish has been stopped, how do you stop the war?

Sorry if I'm being hard on you, Suejeff. We all want babies to stop dying, after all. I just believe that this Hesbollah/Israel thing is a tiny symtom of a much larger problem.

Regards,
Wolfgang

wolfgang – July 19, 2006 – 5:00pm
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Hesbollah Wolfgang

may be seen as being responsible for starting this, and make no mistakes I have no time for militant Islamic fundamentalism. Having said this I think that the Israeli authorities have over-reacted. They do have more arms and fire power and in any combat situation, somebody somewhere has to say enough is enough. I think in this situation that Israel are spoiling their own case.

all the best
suejeff

suejeff – July 25, 2006 – 1:21am
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I think it's a setup

How is self-defense over-reacting?

The Israelis are saying that Hesbollah is using women and children as shields and/or for political effect. Remember, Hesbollah started this particular skirmish. It's also well known that the Islamic Fascists don't care a whit about human life, on either side of the issue. They are launching missiles at Israel from sites that are planted with innocents in the hope that Israeli retaliation causes loss of innocent life. They then use the news as public opinion against Israel. It's working.

What are the alternatives here? Does Israel cease fire? What will that do when Hesbollah started the killing and will continue now and in the future? A cease fire will solve nothing.

This is all very depressing. If events proceed as the Fascists desire, millions of innocents will die, including us and our families.

What would you recommend that the Israelis do? And what would the likely outcome be if they unilaterally ceased fire?

Regards,
Wolfgang

wolfgang – July 30, 2006 – 11:18am
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Like many other mothers all I can see is that the innocent are suffering be thay Muslim or Jew. As with any confrontation someone has to call a halt.

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suejeff – July 30, 2006 – 2:34pm
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