Is it time for America to Elect an Affirmative action President?

Submitted by American Rhetor... on April 21, 2008 - 10:53am.

I am getting a bit tired of this election season. I have heard all of the wrangling and have listened to Obama say "ummm" and "uhhhhh" enough that I have realized he and Bush really do have something in common.

I have watched the American public fall in line behind the MSM and promote a black man to become the democrat nominee in spite of the fact that the democrats actually support Clinton over Obama but after you allow all of the cross over and independents to play in the Caucus's and cross over enough to manipulate the outcome of the primary elections it looks like Obama is going to be the one running against John McCain.

Won't they all be surprised when the majority of Democrats don't show up to support him... Naw, they already knew that would happen.

If any one of the other candidates would have referred to anyone as "typical white" or "typical black" there would have been a outcry overwhelming. But because we are practicing our skills at running an affirmative action election process this year the public seems to be able to stomach such comments.

Just for the record... Not all of us are OK with that. Not all of us will fall in line as expected. And not all of us democrats think we need an "affirmative Action President” And just because we choose to not vote for Obama does not make us a racist. It makes us prudent in the selection process rather than falling in line like a bunch of lemmings voting for the latest pop star! Where is Britney these days?

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I'm still wondering where you are getting your

#74092 On April 21, 2008 12:16pm Pussy Willow said,
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facts and figures, since every news service in the country disagrees that the "...democrats actually support Clinton over Obama...".

As for your idea that pitting Obama against McCain will be a deliberate act to get McCain elected; while I don't particularly like the idea, it's already happened, at least once. In my opinion, that's why Kerry, a clear and obvious loser, was chosen to run against Bush.

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CNN exit polls state that the Majority of democrats

#74093 On April 21, 2008 2:08pm American Rhetor... said,
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actually prefer Clinton. Independents and cross over Republicans prefer Obama.

Yes I do believe they have been successful at manipulation of the nominee because I do believe that Obama will be named the nominee based on that manipulation.

That does not equate to Obama getting the Democrat votes however. And I seriously doubt if those crossover voters in the primary will show up for Obama in the General Election. Looks like a win for McCain!

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Exit polls versus actual votes.

#74114 On April 22, 2008 5:32am Pussy Willow said,
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That's interesting, since Obama leads Hillary in the popular vots by a couple million, last I heard. Wonder which one we should believe?

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D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S voting

#74117 On April 22, 2008 5:51am American Rhetor... said,
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Not total! And we still have not counted Florida and Michigan.

And by the way he is not winning by a "couple of Million" votes.

And he has yet to pull a win in a democrat strong hold state with the exception of Illinois which is his home state. Try winning a general with out being able to win those states! He's winning by a very small margin all of which is independents and crossover republicans.

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Sorry, AR, but you are so totally wrong on that.

#74119 On April 22, 2008 6:12am Pussy Willow said,
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In the popular vote he is absolutely winning by a couple million votes, overall. And exit polls are taken after people exit the voting booth - to give an early indication of the outcome. Where's the logic in quoting an exit poll that only takes into account one area, which the one you read probably did - when you are discussing overall outcome? And by the way, exit poll results are rendered null when the votes are actually counted.

Sorry, I also don't see the logic in trying to claim that democrats, whether they vote or not, favor Hillary, when the ones that actually vote are the ones that will decide who wins the race. ???

Apparently he has pulled enough wins to hold the lead in delegates so, I'm not too fussed over him not taking every state by a landslide. And he wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan because all the candidates agreed beforehand that Michigan and Florida would not be counted in the primaries because they didn't follow the rules. So, if and when Florida and Michigan are counted, there will have to be new votes. Don't count your chickens before the rooster is even in the barn yard.

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Fact remains, Democrats prefer Hillary

#74122 On April 22, 2008 6:57am American Rhetor... said,
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Long time registered democrats support Hillary Clinton. You can check the voter registration to see who has changed party affiliation to vote in the primary. More votes in a open primary does not equate to votes in the general when you have republicans voting in the democrat primary to pick the opponents nominee. I assure you they don't intend to vote that way when they have their dog in the race. It may not matter to some but it matters to those who pay attention.

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I'll take your word for that, AR, since I haven't read

#74125 On April 22, 2008 7:11am Pussy Willow said,
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anything about it. But if they aren't voting in the primaries then they won't effect the outcome much, will they?

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I hope not

#74099 On April 21, 2008 3:58pm spookyyank said,
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I'm deeply disturbed by how many people are showing up for Obama when he down the line doesn't actually tell us HOW he'll pull off any of vague promises of his. He'll win the nomination only because he gives good speeches! Uh, Hitler was a good public speaker, too!

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I'm with you Spooky!

#74112 On April 22, 2008 5:29am American Rhetor... said,
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I think the corporate machine has taught us well how to support the minority at all cost. We have been programmed to think that it is always the right thing to do, and for the most part I do believe that it's the right thing to do in a "good Ole boy" corporate environment but we are talking about a nation that is on the brink here. I hardly think a junior senator has the skills needed to run this ship anywhere except into a sand bar.

I don’t like the Reverend Wright issue, I don’t like the “ I’ve never been proud of America until now” I don’t like the “clinging to religion and guns” and I don’t like the “racist” card being played and pulled out of the pocket when all of the above has failed. We are being sold a bill of goods and the price is way too high for my pocket book. We don’t need another GWB and that is exactly what we are going to end up with. Democrats don’t need that reputation!

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I haven't actually heard Hillary lay out her game plan,

#74115 On April 22, 2008 5:34am Pussy Willow said,
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either. Except, of course, for going after paychecks on the forced health insurance issue. In fact, mostly what I've heard from Hillary is difficult to believe at all, considering that the things she makes the biggest deal about turn out to be bold-faced lies.

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LIES, "I sat in a church for 20 years and ....

#74118 On April 22, 2008 5:58am American Rhetor... said,
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I had no idea" get real..... and my grand mother is a "typical white woman" my parents decided to have me as a child because they were inspired by Martin Luther King" wooops he was born before Martin Luther Kings movement... and "the Kennedys program brought Africans from Kenya and his father was brought over here in that program." Woops - his father was here before that program even went into effect. These are LIES!!!!

And what is this about paying for what you get?? You don't believe in Social Security for everyone either right?

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Don't put words in my mouth, AR.

#74120 On April 22, 2008 6:24am Pussy Willow said,
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SS and going after paychecks for health insurance are 2 different things. But SS is a complete and utter debacle and I do not believe in allowing the government to have another crack at my hard-earned money so that they can piss it away the way they have done the SS money.

Born before MLK's movement? When do you think that movement started - in the 60's? My god, the man had been working for civil rights since the early 50's. Just because you hadn't heard about it doesn't mean that other people weren't highly involved in it. Get a clue - do a little reading outside of the yellow press.

And I have no doubt that Obama's grandmother was a "typical white women." I am, and I have absolutely no problem with being called that. Don't go looking for insults where none exist.

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Have it your way Willow....

#74121 On April 22, 2008 6:49am American Rhetor... said,
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You can wrangle the words all you like, facts are facts and you can give him a pass if you like, it appears that is the way he has won what he has. Maybe tonight the free ride will be over. We'll soon see!

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Facts, AR?

#74123 On April 22, 2008 6:59am Pussy Willow said,
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Come one - just give me one fact - a real one, not one invented by the Press - because you have given none in this post or in any of your comments. You have repeated half-truths, misinterpreted facts and repeated things that are absolutely wrong.

I'll give you a fact. You prefer Hillary over Obama. And you know what? You have every right to prefer her - you have very good reasons for preferring her - you have every right to defend her and champion her.

Those very same facts are true of my preference for Obama.

But there is absolutely no reason - no justification - for inventing or repeating lies and false information to promote your preference.

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Oh, and PA will not decide anything in Hillary's favor.

#74124 On April 22, 2008 7:08am Pussy Willow said,
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Even a major landslide in PA will not give Hillary enough delegates to win the primary. And she's not going to get a major landslide. A month ago her lead was 26 points in PA and it's down to less than 11 points, now. And those 11 points are what she says she has - not what an independent poll says she has.

Winning over superdelegates is the only way that Hillary can expect to take the primary and that probably will not happen. Most of the superdelegates have already said they will not vote against the popular vote. No matter who they have supposedly pledged to vote for already - they don't actually have to vote for who they say they've pledged to at this point.

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I wouldn't expect your interpretation to be any thing less

#74127 On April 22, 2008 7:18am American Rhetor... said,

That takes some nerve when you called Hillary a "bold face Liar"

#74126 On April 22, 2008 7:13am American Rhetor... said,
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Come on Willow, don't put words in my mouth... You can pull the Obama trip but we know the truth in spite of the spin. Why is it when the media actually addressed questions to Obama everyone was up in arms. One debate out of 22 and he is crying like a baby.

Obama's claim was that his parents were inspired by a specific march in Selma AL. to have a child. When it was researched he was born before that march. It was a LIE! He continues to try and tie himself to the African American experience and has yet to be able to make that tie…. He’s too young and his father was an immigrant.

Are you sure you’re a Democrat???

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Nope, not a Democrat and I have never claimed to be.

#74128 On April 22, 2008 7:53am Pussy Willow said,
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What I do claim is that I support Obama and that I'm sick of the Republicans that have been in office and that are running for office. I actually haven't heard anything about this issue - Obama's parents supposedly being inspired by a particular march that happened after his birth - so until I actually read something about it I'll just concede that, if he said that, if he was talking about a particular march that happened after he was born - then he was just as wrong as Hillary. Shame on him. That does not wipe out Hillary's numerous sins in the same area - going back to before Bill Clinton's administration.

I'm also not going to address the ABC sham of a debate. Sorry, every responsible news media in the country - even the ones that are blatantly skewed against Obama - is crying foul over how that travesty went down. Too bad Obama couldn't keep it together and rub their faces in their own shit but, oh well.....

Who cares if his father was an immigrant? Actually, his father was from Kenya (you know in Africa?) and Obama is an American. That makes his heritage African American. And I couldn't care less. I'm not voting for an African American and I really don't see that he has tried to tie himself to that ethnic group or that he has really needed to - you know, being black and all. Actually, it looks more to me as though he has tried to portray himself as an "everyman."

But I'm not voting for an African American or for an "everyman." I'm voting for a candidate that has the same views I have on how the government should be run. I like what he stands for and I like that he appears more open and honest than the other candidates. I say candidates - plural - because McCain is obviously a two-faced glad-hander that will climb in bed with anyone that can increase his power base.

So, what words am I putting in your mouth? That you support Hillary? Sorry, if I got that wrong it was an obvious mistake. Sure sounds like you are supporting her. Other than that, all I've done is refute your accusations with actual facts.

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#74106 On April 21, 2008 8:25pm Pancho Villa said,
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when you put all the posts together it sounds like a lot of truth to what we hear. For additional info read the following: http://www.bloggerparty.com/the_obama_train_wreck

Thanks for the link and the comment!

#74113 On April 22, 2008 5:30am American Rhetor... said,
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It appears many share your concerns.

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Wow. So full of venom.

#74129 On April 22, 2008 9:40am IntricateGirl said,
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It's predicted that Clinton will win PA today. If so, good for her. And I sincerely mean it.

Now that that's out of the way, what's up with the bitterness? Instead of detailing why you dislike Obama, all you do is point to a vast MSM conspiracy, talk about who is supporting him and who is not, and call those who disagree with you "lemmings". Way mature, dude.

If your candidate has any ideas on how to handle the war (other than nuking Iran), economy, and the other important issues, then talk about them. You might have more of a shot at convincing people, than spewing all this vitriol all over the place. Unless Barack Obama pulled down his pants and shit on your grandmother, I don't understand why you hate him with such intensity. Sweetheart, you don't have a monopoly on information (or truth, for that matter), so pretend like I've been looking at the same sources you are, and that I've come to a different conclusion. I'll do the same for you.

Finally, I'm not a Democrat either. I have no desire to be. Thank goodness we live in the US and we're allowed to make up our own mind as to who we would like for President. Otherwise, if we were forced to vote for those who represent our party rather than our interests, I'd be forced to vote for Ralph Nader. Uh... no.

Wow, two challengers... Republicans and Republicans....

#74133 On April 22, 2008 7:06pm American Rhetor... said,
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Oh, and by the way before tonight Obama had a 700K lead on Clinton not a 2 million as Willow asserted earlier and by the end of the night that will be down under 600K.

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There you go, AR, jumping to inaccurate conclusions, again.

#74135 On April 23, 2008 5:42am Pussy Willow said,
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I didn't say I was a Republican and I'm not. I don't totally buy in to any of the parties, particulary the way they have changed in the past few years.

A 600K lead in the popular vote is still a lead. But it's nice that you actually checked your facts. Haven't checked the actuals today but analysts are still predicting that unless Hillary can dig up some more money she's going to lose the next 4 states. She's $10 mil in debt while Obama still has $40-somthing mil in the kitty.

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#74136 On April 23, 2008 7:05am American Rhetor... said,
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Obama outspent Clinton 3 to 1 and still lost. Money doesn't equate to a win. My facts are all good, you just don't like what they say...and your assertion that the "analysts are predicting that he will lose the next 4 states" is obviously NO FACT at all. She is only predicted to lose NC. With wins in all the other remaining locations.... do some readings other than the yellow pages as you say? That’s almost as bad as your FACT that he was ahead of her by 2million votes….. WRONG!!!!

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#74139 On April 23, 2008 9:42am Sassys said,

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Obama outspent Hillary and yet she and her hubby made 100,000,000 dollars in seven years! As far as money goes, she does have money and plenty of it. That's why I find it hard to buy into the bull crap about how "connected" she is to anyone that is poor, much less really care. I know you are passionate about this, but the facts don't bode well for Hillary, and they don't because she does not come across as sincere as she thinks. The reason Obama is so well liked is because he at least is believable.

Her personal income is different than her Campaign war chest

#74194 On April 25, 2008 9:25am American Rhetor... said,
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Hillary and Bill have every right to earn all the want. There is no crime in being wealthy. Fact remains that she spent 1/3 of what was spent by Obama and still won the PA election. Bill made 100M in 7 years or 14M per year; Obama made 4M off his book alone in one year… I don’t think either of them have a connection to the downtrodden. If Obama connected that well with the people he would have made more money. Hillary’s books outsell Obama’s by a huge margin therefore they make more money.

Yes Sassys, I am passionate about this. I fear that this election is being manipulated by those that want another 8 years of the same ole and that angers me.

I am concerned about all the talk about Racism and people going bonkers over that issue but what I don't get is why is it that it is OK for 92% of the black people to vote for a black candidate and in some cases he is getting 40% of the white vote and they think that is ok but because the rest of the whites are not voting for Obama they are being racist? 92% blacks voting for the black candidate appears pretty racist to me.

This election isn't over yet and Hillary will continue to take the democratic strong hold states with the exception of NC because of Obama's ability to get 92% of the blacks there to vote for him. This thing isn't over yet.... Until the fat lady sings; and I haven’t even warmed up my voice up yet!

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Well of course Hillary's books outsell Obamas AR!!

#74281 On April 29, 2008 1:56pm Sassys said,

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She is a former first lady! The fact that Obama being not that well known and still selling as many books as he did, speaks volumes as to why people like him and respect him. Hillary is intelligent and somewhat capable no doubt...but Obama is extremely intelligent...have you read his book? I hate the fact that this election has turned into a pissing contest and Bill Clinton has managed to make himself look positively smarmy with his little innuendos and sly attacks. He has managed to make his wife look like a bigot. Do you know who Mr. and Mrs. Clinton used to "counsel" them when Billy boy was getting his Blow Jobs from Mz. Lewinzsky? READY????? Reverend Wright...that's right you heard it here first folks! It shows a lot of class on Obamas side that they didn't shove that little piece of info down Hillarys throat! I wish they had! What this country doesn't know is coming out in drips and drabs...*Sigh*

No, your "facts" are asinine

#74137 On April 23, 2008 7:33am IntricateGirl said,
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First off, I'm a Republican because I disagree with you?? This is exactly why I don't call myself a Democrat. You've decided to go after a member of your own party with such ferocity that no Democrat will win the general election. The Democrats are content to bloody up both sides, while John McCain is busy measuring for curtains. But no matter. It's all good as long as it's Obama, right?? Karl Rove would approve. I never will.

Second, who the hell said anything about trying to buy an election. Democracy, not plutocracy. Otherwise, we would have had Presidents Perot, Forbes, and in the next adminstration, Romney. Nobody is trying to buy an election, and those who seem to think that Obama is trying are incredibly delusional. Precisely how else, in the age of television, would you like candidates to introduce themselves to the public. Stand on a stump and reach a few thousand, run a commercial and reach a few million. It's not even close to putting money in the hands of the voters in exchange for the vote.

Third, and finally, there are those who can discuss Clinton passionately, persuasively, and without being an ass. Try it sometime. Calling someone a Republican when you know nothing about that person is absurd. Using hyperbole and regurgitated rhetoric does not persuade people to vote for your candidate. Instead, it shines a negative light on your candidate, because instead of sharing your enthusiasm, all the undecided voters will see is your negativism. Feel free to continue if you really think it's a wise strategy. As for me, sorry. I'm not persuaded yet.

Analysts are definitely predicting that Obama will

#74138 On April 23, 2008 7:59am Pussy Willow said,
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take North Carolina and Oregon. They are also predicting that unless Hillary comes up with some serious new money he will also take Indiana and Montana. They are also predicting a win for Obama in Guam. Even the most conservative analysts are not predicting large wins for Hillary in any state and say that she needs a large infusion of money to her campaign in order to maintain her current leads in the last few states. Her leads are so narrow in all remaining states - nothing like her lead in PA was initially - that Obama could easily outstrip her. By the way, that information is taken from half a dozen different sites and different analysts.

And yes, you most definitely can buy an election. Hell, that's pretty much the name of the game. A month ago Hillary had a 26% lead in PA. She won by 9.4% (9.7% or 9.2%, depending on which source you read) and that was largely because of the amount of money Obama spent in that state. Hillary gained 80 delegates in PA and Obama gained 66. That means Hillary actually only gained by 14 delegates and Obama is still quite a ways ahead in delegates. You were right about the popular vote and she gained on him by about 200,000 which still leaves Obama in the lead there, as well.

Sorry that I overstated Obama's lead in popular votes. I can't even find the article that I read that number in so I don't know where I got that piece of misinformation. Gosh, I was wrong. That wasn't so hard, after all.

Sorry, AR, but your facts are not all good. You've changed what you said so that the facts seem to support you. You've cited exit poll results from one particular area when the votes were already counted and used those to support your overall claims. You've used a portion of the population to support your claims without taking into account the overall population. Those aren't good facts, those are skewed.

You are an intelligent man and I respect you and the things you talk about - most of the time. But not when you skew your facts to make things come out your way.

These primaries aren't over by a long shot. I've read several analyses that say that Hillary can't win unless she takes 70% to 80% of the remaining delegates and that she can't do that. I've also read several analyses that say that Obama can't win against McCain and several that say he can. I know that if Obama wins the nomination I will be campaigning my guts out for him to make sure that McCain does not get into office. (I once said I would vote for McCain rather than Hillary. Sheesh! What was I thinking?)

In the end, these analyses are all just speculation. We shall see what we shall see.

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Analysts are definitely predicting that Obama will ????

#74274 On April 29, 2008 11:49am American Rhetor... said,
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And I suppose your would still be claiming this bit of mis information???

I think the gig is up!!!

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AR, get a grip.

#74275 On April 29, 2008 12:10pm Pussy Willow said,
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The polls and analyses on this race change every day - sometimes several times a day. When I said it, it was true. And it's not untrue now - the polls are just showing more in Hillary's favor than before. Like I said before, we'll see a lot of changes before it's all over. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

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