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Immoral Act?

I recently heard a question on moral vs. immoral act posed that blew me away! (When I returned...) I decided to post the issue and hear feed back to see if anyone felt the way I did. Here goes, hold on to your hats!

Everyone living in America knows that killing is an immoral not to mention illegal act. Anyone whose ever heard of the Ten Commandments knows of the one: Thou Shall Not Kill, and most people in the world even understand that it is an immoral unjust unfair thing to do. However, how many of you know about an old custom in some parts of India? The law there was that if a womans husband died before her, then the living widow would be burned at the stake! (I am NOT making this up!) Of course if one were to be from a different perhaps more civilized country then he/she would feel repulsed at the mere thought of some poor widow being burnt alive.

BUT WAIT! Here is where the question comes in.... hope you're ready for this.
If you were to be an American soilder stationed in India during wartime, and you were casually minding your post, when suddenly, you see a group of the policemen in India, carrying a screaming and kicking widow to be burnt at the stake..... WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Would you shoot the policemen on grounds of the immoral act, and thereby save the widows life? Or would you look away, somewhat disgusted but say: "hey thats their sick custom, who am I to interfair?" ..... Thats the question friends, but I can't describe the bedlam that arose, people on both sides of it really! Now you tell me WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE, AND WHY?!!!!

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Maverick's picture

I'd stop judging other cultures based on my upbringing

Indians believe that every time you eat beef you not only killed a possible ancestor but are now cannibalizing that person as well. I'd say that's quite a bit worse than helping a woman reach nirvana. Now, before you go and tell me about how your belief system is so much better how about you spend a little time thinking about some of the things you believe in?

missmaster's picture

I kind of agree with Maverick..

.. because of one particular law system you have in the states that I do not agree with. Capital punishment. I don't think anyone has the right to take another's life. But societies are all different. Cultures are different. Live and let live I say. Regarding capital punishment too!

Live and let live?

But doesn't accepting capital punishment by other societies contradict the idea of live and let live? Shouldn't they live and let live too?

[No statement of belief made in this post, just bringing up a question for you.]

missmaster's picture

Heheh!

Glad you picked up on my comment. I thought someone would ask sooner or later! I meant live and let live as in I don't believe we should have capital punishment.

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o ceallaigh's picture

re: immoral act

The best short account of the "moral dilemma" that I've found was written by (surprise) Ambrose Bierce in (surprise surprise) the original Devil's Dictionary:

    IMMORAL, adj. Inexpedient. Whatever in the long run and with regard to the greater number of instances men find to be generally inexpedient comes to be considered wrong, wicked, immoral. If man's notions of right and wrong have any other basis than this of expediency; if they originated, or could have originated, in any other way; if actions have in themselves a moral character apart from, and nowise dependent on, their consequences – then all philosophy is a lie and reason a disorder of the mind.

In other words, customs have contexts. The widow's lot in antiquity - just about anywhere in the world - wasn't happy. Read your Bible ... Women were property, and men, the only wealth generators and generally strapped for cash, demanded fresh produce. The widow was thought to be contaminated by her previous owner's seed, germs and filthy habits, and unworthy of purchase. Even by her birth family, which sold her in the first place. Death by burning can be seen as preferable to death by starvation, as in ancient Israel (which is why "protection of widows and orphans" is one of the principal ethical refrains of the Old Testament, see especially the Book of Ruth). Only Wealth (most recently generated by the Industrial Revolution and its successors) and Knowledge (of human behavior, reproduction, and disease, funded by the Wealth from said Industrial Revolution) provide society with the resources to dissolve the bonds of property and give widows, and other humans suffering misfortunes, a chance of living. Those who would replace a custom with one of their own need to be certain that they understand the contexts of both, and willing to provide the resources to fund the changeover and convince those being changed that they are better off. See Iraq.

Customs often outlive their contexts. Sati (Indian widow-burning) is one of those, and is recognized as such - the practice is illegal in India. So your soldier would be right in trying to intervene, because the society sanctions intervention. The soldier might be dead right, because those who practice outmoded customs and beliefs often unite unto violence in defense of their practices, because they are "the Rules", and any intrusion is (perceived as) a deadly threat to their identity. If this sounds familiar (e.g. anti-abortion and "intelligent design" crusades), congratulations, there's hope for you.

Wow...

I don't know. In the scenario described it's not my place to do anything. That's the law of that country. The people that live there know the laws and choose to live there regardless.

So live and let live - or rather live and let kill.

Kinda sucks but that's the way it is. If the woman didn't like it she shouldn't have stayed in the country where she was or she shouldn't have married. Right? Knowing that that was a possibility..

Bobbie

Sure Bobbie, provided she

Sure Bobbie, provided she was educated enough to know of another culture to go to, and had the means to get there..... But then, if she disagreed with the custom, shouldn't she stay and try to change it for her daughters?
[again, playing devil's advocate]

Ignorance is Bliss

Burning of a widow in the pyre of her husband in India existed when people were burned at stakes in Europe and US as punishment for witchcraft, blasphemy etc.

When people were still being purchased and sold (slavery), women raped and killed by their owners in the US and Abraham lincoln was struggling to get the states to pass a legislation banning slavery, India already had a law banning burning of the widows.

Its sheer sensationalism to dig something out of history and feed it to ignorant readers. Like the Irish Ma going "wow, I didn't know that it's the law of the land".

Its not the law of the land as much as slavery is legal in the US.

Nice response. These

Nice response. These ridiculous moral dilemmas are starting to get a little annoying.

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