How to Save BloggerParty

Submitted by manodogs on December 8, 2007 - 1:39pm.

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If you are in The Blogging Game and not just doing it for fun, you heard about Google's recent extortion. They slapped PayPerPost and all its members with severe Page Rank penalties for participating in the program (that's alotta Ps, ain't it? it's called alliteration and all the long-A sounds coupled with it is called onomotopeia - now you know... STAR). A lot of people, myself included, who had PRs of 3-4 suddenly found themselves with a big, fat goose-egg because Google got upset that we were using an advertising program other than AdSense.

As most all of us have AdSense accounts, we all know AdSense doesn't pay dick; Google's greed is quickly becoming the stuff of legend, but that's only part of the reason so many are angry with them. After all, all companies want to turn a profit, but that doesn't give them the right to resort to Mafia tactics in order to do it.

So what does this mean for you and BloggerParty, in general? Well, as many of us are from BlogFeast (which recently threw in the towel) and we went there from WritingUp (which is long since deceased), I wanted to offer some steps we can take to ensure BP doesn't go the way of those sites...

Now I have no idea how BP is doing financially, but as a webmaster myself, I know that if you can't turn a profit off your site, you strive to make sure it at least breaks even - that is, pays for itself so you don't end up reaching into your own pocket to pay for hosting and domain registration costs - and if it doesn't, you really have to make a serious decision as to whether or not it's worth it to you personally to continue paying for it. At an approximate cost of $200+ a year, it isn't a matter of whether you are running a "business" or a "hobby," it's a matter of whether or not you want to eat!

So I was searching through my blog here the other day for a link to a post I'd made a long time ago when I noticed how many sponsored posts were here. Seeing as how almost all of the sponsored post programs disallowed community blogsites like BloggerParty a long time ago, nearly all of these were from a year ago or more.

Now, how sponsored posts work is very simple: you receive a set amount of money in exchange for posting about a website, product, or service on your blog. You are not being paid to review the product; you are being paid to include the link(s) to their site(s). It's simple advertising and the higher your PR, the more advertisers will pay you.

How Google PR works is (basically): the more incoming links you have to your site, the higher your Page Rank; the more people linking to you makes Google think you have more authority. Conversely, the more outbound links you have, the lower your PR. This means that if I link to a site and it doesn't link back to me, that site's PR goes up slightly, while mine goes down slightly. This is just a very basic look at a part of Google PR because Google keeps all that stuff very hush-hush - they're a mob, you understand, and a lot of what they do is highly illegal (they're a monopoly, for example), so they do their best to cause as few waves as possible.

So what I'm saying is that, the more one-way, outgoing links BP has, the lower its PR. The lower its PR, the harder it is to find it on Google, which results in fewer visitors, which results in less revenue for the cats what run the joint. This means they could feasibly fold at any time, leaving all of us out in the cold again, like the Gypsies we are.

The best way to do what we can to alleviate this possibility is to go back through our blogs and delete all our sponsored posts that are more than 6 months or so old. After all, most of these guys only paid like $5.00 for a placement and if they've been up for 6 months, that's less than $1.00 a month for an incoming link; they got their money's worth!

This will help BP's PR rise - or at least stay the same - which, in turn, will make them rank higher in Google searches, which will allow them to charge more for advertising! Simple-pimple.

Other than that, do not use Google for searching. Ask.com provides far more relevant results and offers a lot more robust features. Yahoo! has very in-depth searches, but you have to really learn how to use it in order to get the most out of it. Since Google's smart-assed blackmailing of the Web, most of their searches return the very same article across dozens of sites and a bunch of spam - which has always been true to some extent, but I personally found at least 70% of recent searches to be repetitious or outright spam. Twice in the last month, Google's searches have been found to lead to infected sites; they were the target of what many analysts are calling "the single, largest spam attack of all time" recently and your machine may very well be infected with spyware due to following a Google link!

A little blog maintenance on our part might be just the thing needed to keep BP relevant enough that it starts generating more hits and making more money. Especially since LiveJournal was recently purchased by a Russian firm and Google bought Blogger... and FeedBurner... and YouTube... and the rest of the Internet.

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December 9, 2007 - 8:16am

Great Tips.........

NAGATLAKSHMI Says:

These are really great tips to make BP live for a long time. I apprecaite Manodogs for posting such a wonderful Article.

Mrs. Nagalakshmi
( www.chillicious.com )

December 9, 2007 - 4:23pm

I disagree with several things.

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IntricateGirl Says:

First, even though Payperpost does not allow sponsored posts here anymore, in the first month, many people took offers here. Although you only have to leave the posts up for 30 days, the advertisers can ban you for ANY reason. Many "posties" have found themselves banned for removing posts that they left up for 30 days. I'm not saying people should or shouldn't remove them, but that they should be aware. With other companies, it's even more in jeopardy. Blogitive does not allow paid posts here anymore, but when you created a post for them, you formed a contract that you would leave the posts indefinitely. If you do not, they can bar you from ever accepting another paid offer with their company, thereby shutting you out across the board. Again, it's up to each individual to decide if it's worth it, but they need to be aware that they are in danger of not getting any more offers if they do so.

Also, PR and SERPs have a relationship, although it's not necessarily a causal one. Take my fashion site for instance. I have one designer that I write about. The number one ranking is for another fashion site. It has a PR of 1. I'm in the number 5 position, and then again at number 10 with a different site (same designer). Both of these are PR0. The actual designer is at number 4 in the search engine, and has a 2. And most designers hold the number one spot in the search engines for their name, but a MUCH lower page rank than the big fashion sites that follow it. In other words, they have something in common, but there is much more to it than sheer PR.

This is exactly the problem with sites such as PPP. Most advertisers want some PR passed on to them. But PR is so meaningless that there's really no reason they need it. After the big Google smack down, I cancelled my Adwords campaign. My traffic went up right as my PR went down. My search engine positions remain the same or better. Currently, I still accept paid posts, I still participate in blogrolls (Google frowns on this too), and I still do not use "nofollow" which they really hate. I am doing everything I shouldn't be doing, and my traffic is better than it's ever been.

Now for the hard truth. WritingUp died before the Google smack down. BlogFeast died before the Google smack down. And this site shows signs of the business model not being a raging success either. Frankly, this site could get a PR10, and it's not going to ever be as big or bring in as much money as something like Wordpress. Community style blogs are not lucrative.

But where I believe we can agree is that Google is a monopoly that's begging to be smacked down.

ToastTheTrends- Fashion
My original fashion site
Watch my AeroGrow


December 9, 2007 - 6:24pm

Dangit!

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manodogs Says:

I just spent an hour replying to this and then posted it twice and it didn't go through either time... may have had too many links in it or something, I don't know.

Anyway, all of these programs have changed their policies throughout the time period we are discussing and this blog does not exist in their systems anymore. I hope you are wrong about them locking me out from future opps, because that would be tantamount to what Google did. I had a SoulCast blog that I quit posting on because the whole site became an adult site and I wasn't getting any views, and when I tried to log back in a few weeks later, it was gone! No one has asked for their money back on the sponsored posts I made there, nor should they.

My point is this: the more outgoing links on the blog, the lower the PR is going to be (at the end of the day - there are more factors involved, but this is a basic truism). Since we both agree that advertisers are paying for an incoming link in order to build PR, incoming links from PR0 sites are worth nothing. I would think the programs and advertisers would be behind this idea, since removing the old posts will help to improve the site's PR, which is what the advertisers are paying for, which in turn helps the programs cull more advertisers - it's a win-win-win situation.

Alternatively, if advertisers still want the post up for simple exposure, then you can always add the nofollow attribute - which effectively nullifies the link anyway and is the same as deleting it for those purposes. But in this case, I would ask for another $5.00 or so every 6 months - 1 year. I mean, you cannot buy advertising any cheaper than what we are giving them - you just can't - that's why Google is trying to shut us down: it's killing AdSense. Well, that and the fact that Google doesn't want to share the wealth and better programs will, but Google doesn't see it that way because they simply refuse to.

Anyone who's interested, come sign-up at The Speakeasy and post about it in The Line. I think it's high-time we, the actual workers involved here, started taking a more pro-active role in how we advertise these cats and how these programs work, instead of letting the programs tell us what we can and cannot do and then getting caught in the middle when giants collide.

Thanks, IG!

- Manodogs


December 9, 2007 - 6:31pm

Oh, Yeah - One More Thing

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manodogs Says:

I guess it was too many links. Anyway, I'm not 1000% that link to The Line forum will work, so it's down toward the bottom of the page. If you can't access it, let me know and I'll fix it real quick. I have no other moderators and hardly anyone has posted, so I haven't really bothered with it. In fact, if anyone is interested in becoming a moderator on any of the boards, let me know and I'll be glad to add you.

I'm going to post a very in-depth entry on The Wording today or tomorrow on all of this - been working on it for a while - which will hopefully spur the conversation. But if you're interested in this (and every postie should be!), tell others and maybe we can get something going here. Even if you aren't necessarily interested in this particular subject, come sign-up anyway; it's a great way to meet new people, chat in general, and promote your blogs and sites.

Also, vote for me!

- Manodogs


December 9, 2007 - 7:16pm

Actually,

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IntricateGirl Says:

"Since we both agree that advertisers are paying for an incoming link in order to build PR, incoming links from PR0 sites are worth nothing."

I don't agree that they are buying links to build PR. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure that some are. But it doesn't work that well. I brought the exact same thing up one message board, and someone who I consider to be an expert in these matters said that any advertiser buying a link for the PR alone is not going to get a good value. And that was during the PR boom. The way it's passed, these sort of systems aren't the best way to acquire PR.

Also, yes, advertisers can request the nofollow attribute, but doing so on your own violates the terms of most, if not all, of these advertising programs. Also, while it would be great to continue to get paid for leaving the link open, that's not the contract we agreed to when we wrote the post. As far as being wrong about the advertisers banning, check the PPP boards. People have gotten bans for exactly that. Advertisers can ban me because they don't like my haircolor or because I watch South Park. It's ridiculous and against their best interests to do so, but it is their right.

Do I like it? No. But this is the way I currently make money on the web, and I continue to get offers. So I accept the terms because it pays me to do so.

ToastTheTrends- Fashion
My original fashion site
Watch my AeroGrow


December 9, 2007 - 7:54pm

What Are You Saying?

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manodogs Says:

Of course they are buying the links for the PR; if they weren't, then they wouldn't bother to look at PR and those of us with PR0-2 or 3 would get just as many opps as those with higher PRs - actually more, because those cats would want more money. The only other reason they buy them is in hopes of getting a few more hits and we all know that most readers skip over sponsored posts unless it is something in which they would honestly be interested.

That's my point entirely: most of these advertisers don't even know what they're paying for - they're doing it for one reason: "blog" is/was a buzzword. They wanted to make their PR upwardly mobile to bring it in-line with their overhead human management by maximizing the SEO on their white sheets and capitalizing on the Web 2.0 data array-based cross-platform acceptability ratio margin. They did the same thing when AdSense was the buzzword; "vlogging" is the next thing, as they move toward "mobile marketing" and so on and so forth. A very, very few of these advertisers know what they are doing and what they are getting in return, which is the main thing that makes middle-men like PPP necessary. All these people understand is PR and unique hits, but what those are exactly and why they're important, 90% of them could not tell you. Trust me, I speak from experience!

In fact, most businesses and companies don't even know that they don't need a website! They just have to have one because everyone has to have a website! This very ignorance of the technology is what led to the Dot-Com Crash.

Now, I'm not suggesting that advertisers are stupid or anything - far from it! - I am saying that, like you mentioned, PR doesn't mean much, but these guys haven't figured that out yet because they've had PR drilled into their heads as a buzzword - same way they had Web 2.0 drilled in there before this. It's just how business works nowadays and how the people selling advertising marketed it to them.

Expert or no, I guarantee you 90% of blog advertisers are buying PR for exactly the reason I stated above: if they weren't, we wouldn't be having this conversation! If they weren't buying PR, Google would have had no ax to drop and we would still be getting opps like we were before Google pulled this shit.

This is how I make money online too, but are you making much money right now? I know you can't be making as much as you were before this - no one is!

That's my entire point: PPP can't do much about it and Google isn't going to give an inch because too many people will bow-down to them, so you and I making a stand is just spitting into the wind. Likewise, if our making a stand does change things, it really only shifts the power from Google to PPP; what happens when, after RealRank becomes the standard (say, 6 months down the road), PPP drops the hammer on all of us who participate in other sponsored-post programs? Or better yet, anyone who utilizes AdSense!

I think it's something we should seriously consider and discuss.

After all, there's nothing to stop me from approaching would-be advertisers directly. Were I to remove all my sponsored posts and request a re-reading of my PR, I would likely get back my PR3-4, and then I could go direct and say, "You know how pretty much every other blog went down to PR0 recently? Well, I've got a PR4, and I'll undercut whatever you're paying this program for a single promotional post every week or 3 days..." Of course, with everything else I have on my plate, I don't want to do that - have no interest, whatsoever - but it's really time that I sit down and think about just how much control I have over this whole thing.

This reminds me, more than anything else has since I started doing this, just how tenuous this whole thing is: it wasn't here 3 years ago and it might not be here 3 years from now. The problem is - as this whole debacle has made painfully obvious - it could end very suddenly and without warning, and those of us who are serious about this and our blogs really need to stop and consider that.

- Manodogs


December 10, 2007 - 8:05pm

No, I know exactly what I am suggesting.

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IntricateGirl Says:

There are advertisers buying links for PR. Those who do are very misinformed, and unlikely to continue buying links, because the outcome will not be favorable. The longest standing and most prolific advertisers in most of these companies are not using it for the PR. True, many of them ask for a minimal amount of PR. That is typically not because they want the PR passed on, but because it means that the blog is at least several months old and has had time to become minimally established.

PR leak isn't even a proven idea. The SEO experts are split on whether it exists or not. I will leave that debate to them. But I will say that if it exists, it's merely a LEAK, not a steady stream of PR. Much, MUCH more important to a site are the links coming in. On a quick check, there aren't a ton of links coming in to BP, they are mostly PR0, and none of the ones I checked go over PR4. If every single link on this site was removed, or used a nofollow, it still wouldn't have a high PR. Most of that would not carry over into individual users pages, and it would not help me rank any higher. Even if it did, there's currently only one company I know of that allows paid posts on this site, even if I had a PR10. Now, at a PR10, I'd probably seek other advertising, but that's not going to happen on a community style blog. Not for an individual.

And to be quite honest, for a hundred million reasons, my PR2 here is less valuable than my PR0 on some of my other blogs. PR has been dead for a very long time, and many of the advertisers who are smart enough to game it with paid links are also smart enough to know that there's no reason to bother.

ToastTheTrends- Fashion
My original fashion site
Watch my AeroGrow


December 11, 2007 - 10:35am

Good Point, IG

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manodogs Says:

Well, I hate to say it, but you are completely wrong as to your assessment of the PR situation; advertisers very much are buying links for PR, regardless of whether or not whomever you are talking to thinks it has been "proven" or whatever. Like I said before, if they weren't, none of this would be an issue. You are right about those advertisers being misinformed, but that's one good thing that may come from all of this: now advertisers will realize that PR really doesn't mean much and will start choosing those of us who submit quality posts, instead of just whoever has the higher PR. I honestly think these guys are under the impression that a higher PR indicates higher traffic, and we both know that's not true.

As for PPP, I didn't know they ever allowed community blogsites, but this blog was never registered with them at any rate. And I am not removing PPP posts from my other blogs, just their "Review My Post" and "Direct" badges and banners. Another program site said they believed that's what Google personnel were looking for, mainly. Of course, no one knows for sure.

But you are right as to what you said, which is why I wanted to discuss this: removing those outbound links probably doesn't do much for raising PR. I was not concerned with my personal blog here because it does not exist on a sub-domain; since it is off the main URL, I have never paid attention to this blog's individual PR - I was talking about the site as a whole. At any rate, Google is now attacking that, as well... though I guaran-damn-tee you they won't follow through with this on their own sites, ala BlogSpot and their flagship search engine.

When I started my own blogs off community sites, I really wanted to get a bunch of us together to form a kind of blogring, but (of course) Google hates that, so I ditched the idea. I want to revive that idea. It certainly couldn't hurt us to put together a small directory - basically a blogroll is all it is (which, as you mentioned, Google also hates).

For those at home keeping score, you have probably realized by now that Google hates any attempts to promote, market, or make money from your blog, site, or your own work, in general; conversely, they openly practice these very same methods with their properties. In personal relationships, this would be a "do as I say, not as I do" situation; in business, this is a, "Only we can do that; we'll destroy you if you try" situation.

Obviously, none of us are going to put Google out of business, but I urge everyone to throw everything you've learned about Google out the window - all the "Don't do this because Google will penalize you" Golden Rules - and do what we have to to survive. There's absolutely nothing wrong with legitimate webrings and blogrings - they're very helpful to people who are interested in the things we write about and discuss! - there's nothing wrong with blogrolls for the very same reason. There's nothing wrong 95% of what Google has been telling us not to do or else and they really shot themselves in the foot by screwing us all the way they did: now no one has any reason not to do these things - after all, Google's already done what they can do to us, so we have nothing to lose!

- Manodogs


December 11, 2007 - 1:37pm

LOL! Still disagree.

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IntricateGirl Says:

But in that disagreement, we are actually ending up more or less on the same page.

The advertisers who buy links for PR have never gotten a good value for their money. PR is a system of voting (not discussing PR leak, but the actual formula that people have been able to discover). Take two sites. One is a PR 8, the other is a PR 0. The PR 0 has no other sites linking to it. The PR8 site has few other links out. The formula looks at it and says, "Whoa! This PR8 site thinks this site is important. Let's boost it up to a higher PR." Although I can't personally manage the math to figure out what the new PR would be, I think we can both agree it would rise. And that's where you were correct in your original premise. Removing the links here would mean that more PR exists to vote with. But you'd have to remove ALL the links. Not just the paid ones. But what happens when you get a second link, and this time it's from a PR0? Naturally, it's going to be lower.

The problem is that this isn't realistic. There are some who believe that Google punishes those who don't link out. Well, if you are an advertiser running your own Yahoo store, you are not likely to link to anything but your own products. And you cannot control who links to you. I have one Indian website (stealing my content) that links to me. I'd rather they just left me alone. But a link is a link. So if an advertiser wants a PR of 5 in their campaign, just because that's the only people who link to them from their campaign does not mean that they are definitely going to get a PR of 5. PPP has noted a thing they call an "echo". If one blogger picks up on something, others soon follow. Even though they aren't getting paid, others blog about the same subject. And these aren't "votes" that you can control. Also complicating it is the fact that PR appears to be logarithmic, in that a PR1 is a lot easier to achieve than a PR10. So if an advertiser requests a PR5, they are much more likely to get a PR5 site take the offer than a PR10. The more they limit it like that, the worse it's going to work in their favor. Certainly they will get, say, 20 votes for PR5. After all the calculations are done, they would be lucky to end up with a PR2. And the price to buy those PR5 bloggers needs to buy higher, or it will languish on the marketplace. So they've spent what could easily be a $500-1000 budget on a PR2.

I have experienced this firsthand. I ran a campaign through PPP. My PR did not significantly improve (and not just because of the smackdown). My readership, stats, and contest entries did. If I had required a PR5, it would NOT be for the PR value, because that's negligible and largely out of my control. It would be because they tend to be very well-established blogs with fairly large readership. They tend to write better and more complete articles. And their readers take them seriously. In short, they'd really sell it, and the echo would be huge.

I stand by what a said. Those advertisers buying for PR alone are not spending their money properly. BUT, if that's the case, then it proves even more that Google is out to stop those who make money in any way that doesn't help them.

ToastTheTrends- Fashion
My original fashion site
Watch my AeroGrow


December 21, 2007 - 5:35pm

You Had the Better Approach

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manodogs Says:

Selling-out right off the bat and bowing down was the best thing you and the rest of the PPP community could have done: PPP is currently advertising across my blog under Goober AdSense.

"Google has done many good things for this world."

- Manodogs


December 9, 2007 - 8:47pm

Really great post

angelface79 Says:

This is such an informative post. I always wondered how the link thing worked with PR.

I also hear what you are saying about adsense. I haven't made much from it. I'm lucky to get a check every year and a half. If I ever hit a hundred again I am quitting them.

Thanks for sharing.

December 10, 2007 - 4:07pm

Not Exactly How PR Works

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manodogs Says:

Thanks Angelface, but like it was said, that isn't exactly how Google PR works, it's just the very basic bottom-line of it. There are many more variables and factors at play, but the very elementary version is: the more incoming links you have, the better; the more outgoing links you have, the worse. And links from sites with higher PR mean 10x more than links from sites with low PR.

I really hoped more people would take me up on my offer to discuss this at-length in an actual forum where it can go back and forth with a lot of people and we have more options for linking and so forth, but I understand that a lot of people are scared. I personally am completely over it.

I've been doing this for 10+ years now and I never paid any attention to anything Google did until about a year ago. Of course, Google didn't own the whole damn Web then, either. Still, Google is just begging for an ass-kicking and they're about to get it; they are a monopoly and they are using their massive power as an Internet Elite to push literally everyone around and eventually, too many people are going to get upset over it. Hell, it's almost impossible to surf anywhere anymore without seeing either, "Recently Acquired by Google" or a post on how Google fucked someone over.

I'm personally worried to pieces that, if I ever do hit payout, the assholes will find some reason to refuse to pay me, and that comes full-circle as to why I made this post to begin with:

Of course I want to make money online and yes, these are my only real options at this point so I have to abide by their rules, but unlike some, I'm not willing to sell my soul for a scant 30 pieces of silver. I have great content and always have - and there's a lot more of it to come - and my original Geocities site set there for 9 years with almost no promotion or marketing and managed to acquire a PR8 all on its own. It didn't take it a decade to do it either; Google PR isn't exactly "new," but it certainly wasn't around in 1997 when the site first went up.

It isn't going to be easy, but we bloggers have to decide that we want more control over our business and then do it, instead of waiting around to see what this company or that one is going to let us do. I'm sure it's going to be hard at first, but it isn't impossible.

Like I said above, you could always just add the nofollow tag to old links and leave the post up, but it's really the same as just deleting it because the advertisers are buying blog posts for the PR. If they weren't, none of this PR-slapping business would be an issue.

I would think the sponsor programs would be behind this 100% because it helps maintain/improve the blogs' and sites' PR, which is better for everyone concerned. Of course, I accept that I could be wrong and would love to discuss it at-length with anyone who is interested, but I have found that pretty much everyone I've mentioned this to is scared to speak-out against anyone for fear of losing what little money they're making. Yet, as is obvious from what Google did, as well as what IG said about bans and benches on PPP (companies can do them for whatever reason, whenever they like), it's a simple matter of having some balls.

They can't just ban us all and if they ban all of us who speak out against them or question their integrity, they're going to be left with no more than a handful of blogs and bloggers who are not going to be very popular in the Blogosphere. It's a tenuous situation where most bloggers simply have not come to terms with the fact that these companies need us as much as we need them - more, really: I stand to lose, at best, a few hundred bucks a month if I am shut-out of these programs; the companies that run these programs stand to lose millions if they don't find a better business model to satisfy both their customers and those of us working for them!

- Manodogs


December 15, 2007 - 3:01pm

Hell I only pay $84 a year

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Sire Says:

Hell I only pay $84 a year for my hosting package so I reckon you must have some sort of premium deal going. As for Google that busted me from 4 to 0 but I ain't fussed as I am still doing well blogging for money and I am not about to stop just to appease those asswipes at google.

I have noticed though that although I have PR0 I am still getting a lot of hits from Google so my theory is that the hits you get may have more to do with keywords and the way you structure your titles than it has to do with PR.

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December 15, 2007 - 3:13pm

PR is Ostensibly About "Authority"

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manodogs Says:

Yes, PR has nothing to do with traffic; it's supposed to be about your "authority" on a/the subject(s). But it turns out Google didn't just use the PR slap to force us to use their revenue program; they were also paving the way for the release of their own "knowledge program" to further their monopoly and crush Wikipedia.

Obviously, it is just another corporate weapon which has no real merit or meaning.

- Manodogs


December 15, 2007 - 3:17pm

Hell manodogs as long as I

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Sire Says:

Hell manodogs as long as I have Authority around the hope I couldn't give a rats arse how google rates me. It sure makes things a lot less stressful.

Oh and as for google paying out, you needn't worry as I have had about 4 payouts from them.

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December 26, 2007 - 5:57pm

So do you know when they

angelface79 Says:

So do you know when they will update the page rank again?

December 26, 2007 - 6:30pm

No Quarter Asked

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manodogs Says:

I do: they do so quarterly, meaning they will do so at, or around-about, the end of next month.

I really do feel for everyone who has been hit by this, but no one I know has been hit by this the way I have been, so it's not like I'm falling all over myself to rush to their defense.

I read on the boards and blogs the day after it happened about how this was such a tragedy and how everyone was going to fight it and so and so forth, and no one - no one, man, no one - did, but me.

And if they all come back around and say this and that and the other, they're liars; no one stood-up. Once again, I was left alone. Like a howling prairie coyote, like the single flautist in Chopin's...

Well, I may be milking it, but it's true. Seriously, I get a bit upset about it when I read these other folks' blogs and they're all like, "Well, I totally support PPP in this and so on and so forth, and I'm such a Person," and then...

It's just a thorn in my side I shan't get over, let's leave it to say.

Oh! Yeah, around March, I guess.

- Manodogs


December 27, 2007 - 1:37pm

I did something, I removed

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Sire Says:

I did something, I removed the google crap from my browsers and did some negative posts but that is about all. Say manodogs have you seen my post on something that may be better than google adsense?

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December 28, 2007 - 6:47am

I just found out about that yesterday.

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IntricateGirl Says:

It sounds interesting, and I signed up. I'm not sure how well it will go over on some of my sites, but like everything else, you need to decide if it will work or not. For example, I use Amazon's affiliate program fairly heavily on one site, but it's not the best for another of my sites. In fact, Adsense, paid blogging, and almost every other form of monetization would be all wrong. But CJ is perfectly fitted to this site. With the one you suggested in your post, I think it would fit well with a few of my blogs, and I'll use it there and ignore it on the rest.

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December 28, 2007 - 2:56pm

:( too bad you didn't sign

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Sire Says:

:( too bad you didn't sign under me. I would have been nice having you under be instead of me constantly trying to look up your skirt...lol

Still if half of what they claim turns out it will be a good venture.

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December 28, 2007 - 4:13pm

Yeah,

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IntricateGirl Says:

if I had seen it in time, I would have signed up under you.

It is an interesting idea. My main reservations are that people will hate hearing the ads. A bonus for the advertisers is that it will be short enough that people can't really shut off the sound as soon as they start hearing it. But that just means that if people get REALLY fed up, they'll stop visiting my site. So I'm using it on select sites because I just don't know how well it's going to go over.

This really isn't a new form of marketing at all. It's a variation on Pay Per Impression. In this case, the impression is audio, rather than visual.

I am encouraged by the size of their advertiser base. Now, if they can get people to add their websites, it could really take off. Even so, I am predicting a shelf life of about 2 years, IF it takes off. But why not get in early and make some cash during those two years??? lol

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December 28, 2007 - 6:54pm

Well IntricateGirl

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Sire Says:

I think that the visitor only hears it once so they will not hear it on multiple page views unless perhaps when they visit it on another day. I reckon it will be a lot less annoying than those popups and popunder ad that a lot of site use.

I did do a post on here earlier on but it got spammed off the front page almost instantly. There is way way too much spam here which is why I love Communati so much.

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December 28, 2007 - 4:04am

Thanks, Sire!

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manodogs Says:

That's so funny you should mention it, because I sincerely meant to ask you about that the other day, but then I got tied-up with the holiday and it slipped my mind.

I did much the same in regards to Goober, and I agree - what else could we do? What upsets me is how many people started out doing it, then just gave-in, not to mention how quickly they did so! Even PPP did it! For all their talk about how they weren't going to be pushed-around, a couple weeks after it happened, they quietened-down and their ads started appearing in my AdSense boxes! I mean, that really made me look bad for having stood-up for them so vehemently.

And I am still going through posts to remove those badges and "Review Me" buttons! That is a chore!

Thanks for this! I'm going to check it out and will probably give it a shot.

- Manodogs


December 28, 2007 - 4:57am

Let me know what you

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January 5, 2008 - 5:57pm

Sorry bud, but I just had to

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Sorry bud, but I just had to tag you.
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January 15, 2008 - 10:49pm

Google PR Update Underway

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manodogs Says:

Apparently, it's already that time again. Technically, I thought they did it every three months, but according to all the posts I've been reading, they are busy as I type.

This post lays it out as I see it and if you enjoy it, please follow the link in the comments section to Zoom it. I know it's a silly thing to hope for, but seeing as how thee are so many people upset over Google's recent behavior, a little more noise couldn't hurt.

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