Good vs. Evil

evil | good | helping others | spiritual warfare

I am a member of an online writing group/discussion board, and recently the subject of evil came up among a Christian audience.

There was an amazing split and vehement discussions on whether or not, as Christians, we should think about or discuss evil or bad things in the world. The impetus for this discussion was a story about a young boy who had gone "bad", maybe even been possessed by a demon, and how the church and community shunned him and turned away from him rather than trying to help him. The end result was that an innocent girl was killed by this boy, and his response was what did you expect, leaving me alone with this thing inside me?

Obviously this was a very disturbing story and hit a nerve. Many thought it didn't fit into a "Christian worldview." My take on this is that we don't live in a bubble, we live in the real world. We need to be able to see the bad or evil, and do something about it. We need to be able to fight it, with God's help. We need to learn more about spiritual warfare. How can we do this if we are too busy turning away or trying to ignore it?

As Albert Einstein said, "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing."

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Christians and Evil?

I am sorry, I am tired. But what is the question? Is it should Christians discuss evil?

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Mark 2: 15-17

Then Jesus happened to recline at table in (Levi's) house, along with many toll collectors and sinners and Jesus's disciples. (Remember, there were many of these people and they were all following him.) And whenever the Pharisees' scholars saw him eating with sinners and toll collectors, they would question his disciples: "What's he doing eating with toll collectors and sinners?" When Jesus overhears, he says to them: "Since when do the able-bodied need a doctor? It's the sick who do. I did not to come to enlist religious folks but sinners!" - Scholar's Version

I can't imagine anyone reading this passage, and the exorcism stories that follow it, doubting in the slightest that the Christian mission is engagement with "evil".

That said, your young man has complicated matters by choosing to be "evil" in the only manner that makes sense to me. That is, he has been supremely selfish in his conduct, defining himself "out" of your group, then reinforcing that selfishness by refusing to accept responsibility for his conduct but laying a heavy guilt trip on you instead. Jesus healed many, but laid a burden of personal responsibility on those healed: "Go, and no more sinning!"

So I see two separate arguments here. Should a Christian community engage evil? Yes, whenever possible. No brainer. Should it have done more to prevent the behavior of this particular individual? Maybe. And maybe that was beyond your powers. Perhaps the message is to move courageously to save who you can, and realize that not all of your efforts will be successful. Luke 17: 11-19.

Okay, I see I need to clarify

I had to reread my post and your comment, but I think you are maybe responding to the young man in the story (which was fictional) rather than the author - who wrote the story intending to point out that more should be done to go after those who are "lost" and help them rather than turning a blind eye.

He was trying to show the end result of ignoring all that is evil, and challenge us as Christians to examine how we respond to evil, and whether we keep ourselves in a "safe" world and reject all that is not "good and lovely and pure".

What has surprised me is how many Christians have responded that we should not engage in fighting evil - they say God fights evil, not us (and I say, who does God USE to fight it? - US!), and they don't believe a story like this one belongs in a Christian worldview or on a Christian website.

Does that help? Or have I confused you even more?

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Evil & Sinning

I understand the question or discussion now. And yeah what oceallaigh
said = ) or in my words, I feel that you have the choice to sin or not sin. I cannot accept "the devil made me do it" That was a cop out on the boys part. Sinning and doing evil is not a demonic possession. Was he spitting green pea soup?

I don't feel because a person sins that they are evil either. In that case we are all evil then. Or did I miss the point again????

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Grace

I don't feel because a person sins that they are evil either. In that case we are all evil

I argue that we are "good" in that we seek right relationship with each other. And we're "evil" because we seek to promote ourselves at the expense of others. All of us are both, because it is impossible to navigate the minefield of "self" and "other" without falling. Grace is what picks us up after we've blown ourselves up on a mine, patches us back together, reintroduces us to the group which, through grace, accepts us back, and allows us to carry on.

GRACE, n. Jesus of Nazareth's forgotten sister.

    - The New Millenium Devil's Dictionary

more clarification

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be so confusing. Guess this is why I shouldn't be blogging late at night, lol.

I'm not talking about "the devil made me do it" and I'm not saying because a person sins, they are evil.

I'm talking about Christians who don't ever want to talk about Satan or evil, who want to avoid people who are mean, "crazy", or messed up, who would turn away from a young boy with major problems (like the boy in this fictional story, who had no real guidance, started doing things like setting fire to a chicken coop just for fun, and people turned away from him and shunned him rather than trying to help him).

People aren't evil, but their actions can be following the path of evil.

Am I helping or just confusing you further?

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re: more clarification

I'm talking about Christians who don't ever want to talk about Satan or evil,

I think I understand what you're driving at, with this clarification. I posted that quote from Mark to point out that Jesus of Nazareth had no problems whatsoever either with talking about evil or doing something about it. I would go so far as to say that a person who avoids the word "evil" has a most doubtful claim on the word "Christian".

I worry though, because "Christian" groups throughout history have chosen to interpret Scripture as giving them a license to define "evil" as "anything that we don't like", and to remove that "evil" with whatever is necessary, including deadly force. Jesus of Nazareth used persuasion, compassion, and self-sacrifice to achieve these goals, not brainwashings, tortures, or cruise missiles.

ah, yes

Very good point. I agree, there are so many subtleties and interpretations here.

But I guess I'm just surprised at how many Christians are scared of and/or shy away from evil - not as in "anything we don't like" - but as in those who are truly sinning and doing evil deeds, and/or even thinking about or discussing the possibility of Satan - even that he exists.

Not those who are legalistically judging (although that's a whole 'nother problem!) or those who are doing evil in return (brainwashings, tortures, etc.) - but those who are going about their daily lives and sticking their head in the sand if someone mentions "evil", Satan, or they come across a "mean" person or troubled kid. Those who look the other way and try to pretend like nothing is going on, and then say you are not a Christian (or acting like a Christian) if you "think about such things".

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"Those who look the other way ..."

Those who look the other way and try to pretend like nothing is going on

Yeah. Sigh. Mea culpa. I have a blog entry that touches on this subject, perhaps you've seen it. It's the "shopping cart" piece.

Balance

Exactly, with "Good and "Evil" with in us all we have balance! Now, some people's scales lean more toward the "Good" and others more toward the "Evil" Myself, I am more like a yo-yo, rocking back and forth. By the way exactly how many bibles do you own?

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Of yo-yos

I think most of us are in the "yo-yo" category. But you're right, there is a spectrum. And this is further complicated by the fact that one group's "grace" is another's excommunication. I'd say more but it's already way past my bedtime. :)

Bibles? 2 and 1/4 (the third volume contains only Gospels). But all three are college-level "study" volumes: the Oxford and Harper-Collins Study Bibles (both New Revised Standard Version), and the Jesus Seminar's The Complete Gospels (Scholar's Version).

Good Night

Well, you have good night...sleep with the angels....

Your Clear Now...

Ok I got it now... It wasn't you...it was my reading so late at night. But yes it is much more clear to me now. It was all the comments all together as well. Leave it up to me to miss the point.

They shouldn't have turned their backs on the young boy.

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