Don't Force Your Morality on Me - The Most Hypocritical of the Liberal's Whines

Submitted by JohnnyP5379 on March 28, 2006 - 8:17am.

The hypocritical liberal have a number of whines in their arsenal. The worst one, though, is "Don't force your morality on me." By storming around and saying that Christians are forcing their beliefs on others, the liberal is doing the same thing. He is forcing his beliefs on others. Christians feel that they have the right and obligation to make their beliefs known. That is their prerogative. When the liberal is attempting to intimidate others into remaining quiet, he is forcing his beliefs on that person.

The problem is that liberals walk around with chips on their shoulders and a holier-than-thou attitude. I will agree that many Christians do the same thing, but they are a problem to many. The majority of the liberals that I have met are the most intolerant people I have had the displeasure of knowing. They are incredibly intolerant of the beliefs of others, while demanding that their thoughts and beliefs be acknowledged.

It is ridiculous.

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What is ridiculous

Submitted by Maverick on March 28, 2006 - 8:44am.

Is your inability to comprehend the most simple of concepts. When someone says "don't force your beliefs on others" they are not suggesting you not be able to speak your mind, but that you not FORCE YOUR BELIEFS ON OTHERS. Since you seem to have trouble comprehendings "FORCE YOUR BELIEFS ON OTHERS" I will try to explain. I'll use simple analogies so you do not actually have to use your brain at all.

You want to sleep in a bed.
I believe sleeping in beds is wrong.
I get a law passed saying sleeping in beds is not allowed.
You risk going to prison to sleep in your bed and can never buy a new bed because beds are outlawed.

Now, compare that to:

You want to sleep in a bed.
I believe sleeping in beds is wrong.
We explain to eachother our reasons for our positions.
We make decisions based on a more complete set of information about where to sleep.

Do you understand the difference?

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Maverick, once again, proves that he is a jackass

Submitted by JohnnyP5379 on March 28, 2006 - 9:50am.

While you may think that you are very clever about your analogies, what you practice is something entirely different. You, for one, are very quick to call the beliefs and ideas of others garbage or shit, as you like to say. You attempt to intimidate others into being quiet with your harsh words and insults. While you may not be forcing anyone with your beliefs by doing that, your intolerance shows you to be exactly what I have always thought - a jackass.

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Once Again, Simple Concepts Go Right Over Your Head

Submitted by Maverick on March 28, 2006 - 10:15am.

If you are going to INSIST ON TEACHING MY CHILDREN THAT THE GRAND CANYON WAS CREATED BY NOAH'S FLOOD THEN I AM GOING TO CALL BULLSHIT. If you want to teach your children that, more power to you. I'll probably start looking to move away from the neighborhood you live in, but that's just me. I'm certainly not going to stop you from turning your children into ignorant little asshole chips off the old block. Try to do it to my kids and I will fight back.

Get it?

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excellent observation

Submitted by moorishprince on March 28, 2006 - 9:12pm.

Maverick is a child who is still playing with the building blocks of reason and tolerance. I would have thought I had raised him better.

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Now Moor I don't get it.....

Submitted by bugsey on April 15, 2006 - 10:01pm.

I don't always agree with him but he does PUT effort and he has a right to his opinion as anyone else me thinks... kisses !

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I am so sick if your WEAK arguments !

Submitted by bugsey on April 15, 2006 - 9:58pm.

You called Maverick a jackass after HIS effort ro explain to YOU what he THINKS in a rather reasonably NICE manner even if you hardly deserved it. You also called Moorish prince something like that. You should get rage management therapy IF you cannot TOLERATE any contrary opinions ! Stop the namecalling, it shows ignornace and bigotry!

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I agree with Maverick

Submitted by Veronica on March 28, 2006 - 9:32am.

Except I wouldn't've been so mean about it. :-P Anyways, I've never really declared myself either Liberal or Conservative as I think both sides have some good ideas. But I don't like it when people try to "convert" me. I am extremely tollerant to peoples' beliefs, however. I don't mind talking with someone about why we believe what we believe. On the other hand, if that conversation were to turn into a "You have to be saved now! You have to come to church with me!" kind of thing, I would get up and leave. I don't think that discussing is the same as forcing. I do think that Christians do the most forcing. I've never had a Muslim come up to me and say "You have to follow Muhammad! Worship Allah(sorry if I spelled that wrong)! He is the only God!" I find that it's mostly Christians who are extremely intollerable of others' beliefs. Not all Christians, mind you. It just seems that most of the people who are close-minded are also Christian or some denomination thereof. What these "Liberals" are referring to is, for example, making gay marriage illegal just because the Bible says it is. THAT is forcing.

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I agree..

Submitted by cgwriter on March 28, 2006 - 12:47pm.

..that I have come across more liberals who are intolerantly trying to intimidate others into having more tolerance!

Practice what you preach. If you want people to be tolerant of you, show tolerance of others too. Christians sharing their beliefs doesn't mean they are trying to convert anyone - they are just sharing their beliefs. Take them or leave them, just like you want people to do about your beliefs.

If you want respect, start by giving respect.

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You might want to read this, then respond.

Submitted by Maverick on March 28, 2006 - 7:39pm.

Because why you are wrong is already explained above. When you come back and try to argue a point that has already been argued that is called "arguing a moot point." What makes that especially the case in this instance is that you did not add any new information to the argument. Obviously, if there is a new development or a new set of data requiring analysis the point is no longer moot. Pointing your finger and saying "nuhuh! You did it first!" is not a new development.

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Nope!

Submitted by moorishprince on March 28, 2006 - 8:57pm.

It's called arguing a point that has found no balance. Be careful with that word "moot". For the enlightened, arguments are a thing of naught--they serve no purpose but to perpetuate ignorance. When you finally grow beyond the need to suck your thumb, you may one day realize there are things in life that are self-evident. This is a world beyond the wasteland of argument and debate.

For the moment, you're like a little mangy cat--proud of the dead rat (useless debate) that you drag up on the front porch at every opportunity.

Hey, who knows, those kids you spoke of might just be mine....:)

Enjoy the evening biscuit.

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It's nice to see that you're still

Submitted by Maverick on March 28, 2006 - 10:02pm.

Ignorant when it comes to English. Also, keep in mind that in order to have children you have to engage in sexual intercourse with women or donate sperm and have someone actually be interested in it.

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What's with all the Maverick-bashing?

Submitted by myspaceoryours on March 28, 2006 - 7:48pm.

Just because someone has a different opinion on things, doesn't mean we have to write entire blogs about how wrong that person is. Why can't we just be adults and agree to disagree?

Just my .02 cents :) I'm not even sure how this whole thing started...

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Forging Identity Through Inane Argument

Submitted by deorre on March 29, 2006 - 5:14am.

Good point, space. Adolescents forge their emerging identities by engaging in seemingly arbitrary 'debate' in essentially 'moot' points. It no longer becomes about the content, but the process. And the content gets lost along the way.

Another reason such 'debate' turns into mindless rant is that ones' identity may be so precariously melded to the proclaimed 'position' that any hint of a differing view is a threat to that persons' very core. Psychologically speaking, of course.

deorre

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Harsh Words

Submitted by Ivy Alexander on March 28, 2006 - 9:29pm.

Play nice everybody... I was very tense reading everyones comments. I lost the total point here.

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"If you want respect, start

Submitted by IntricateGirl on March 29, 2006 - 5:05am.

"If you want respect, start by giving respect."

Precisely the problem.

I kind of enjoy Mormons. Not in a "let me see if I can irritate them with my heathen point of view" way, but with genuine interest. One of my dearest friends was a Mormon, and I always admired how she lived such a moral life despite some really trying circumstances. But if they knock on my door, as much as they want to share, they really don't care about reciprocating. In other words, it's one sided. And if you think about it, that's pretty arrogant. When I take a college class, I am paying good money for a person who has more knowledge than I do to impart some of that knowledge to me. If I join the military, I intentionally put myself into a situation where I am considered subordinate. If I go to church, I trust the minister to have spiritual knowledge that he is supposed to pass on to me. When I go to work, I am aware that I have a boss that I report to. In all of these situations, I went into the situation knowing that I was subordinate. I willingly placed myself in that situation. But when someone who is my equal speaks to me regarding a matter, and does not wish it to be a two-way discussion, they are trying to put themselves into a superior position, and this is called being a "know-it-all" or "preachy".

I am a liberal, I am open-minded, I am a supporter of 1st amendment rights, and I am also completely uninterested. I would be very upset if someone told me that the "preachers" who stand on college campuses ranting, raving, and foaming at the mouth are not allowed to be there. I would be very upset if the pro-life activists had to leave street corners, as much as they frighten me and my children with their yelling and 3 foot tall pictures of dead fetuses as I'm driving down Main street. I for one, if I were a lawyer, would put my family into hiding and defend Bin Laden to the best of my abilities, while hoping the jury the bastard to the chair. But frankly, when you are standing at my desk asking me for the fifth week in a row if I want to come to church with you, respect has NOT been shown, and respect will not be given.

Yes, Christians may be simply sharing their beliefs. Did you bother asking me about mine? If not, was it really "sharing"?? I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with you. I think respect is key, but I also think there isn't nearly enough of it.

To the original argument- conservatives are trying to ban homosexual marriage. Liberals are trying to allow it. If liberals were trying to force you to marry another man and told you that you cannot marry a woman, we might have a discussion. But that obviously isn't happening. So tell me again who is forcing their position on everyone else...

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It's amazing

Submitted by cgwriter on March 29, 2006 - 9:55pm.

how everyone assumes to be Christian means you are knocking on doors and insisting that everyone agree with you.

When a professed non-Christian shares an opinion, everyone's like, okay, thanks for your opinion. When a Christian shares their opinion, the response is, here you go forcing your beliefs again.

Don't judge all by the actions of a few. I do happen to be a Christian, and I'm happy to share my viewpoint if people are sharing views - like in an online forum, or say, a blog... But I don't knock on doors, I don't share my views with those I can see are uncomfortable, I don't give advice unless it is solicited (and I'm assuming, online, when others are sharing opinions and advice, that mine is just as valid). The best witness, Christian or otherwise, is how you live your life, not what you say.

What attracted me to Christianity as an adult, and prompted me to make it my own, not just something my parents taught me, was seeing how other Christians lived. Those who truly practiced their faith, not just giving it lip service. I saw something I wanted. A peace, a joy, a different kind of love. I realized something was missing in my own life, and I sought that out. I was inspired to do so by a coworker who was a very strong Christian. He never forced his views on anyone, or ran around quoting scripture or making others feel uncomfortable. He was just very comfortable in who he was and what he believed. And I saw that. I saw how he dealt with things, how he did or didn't react. I wanted that for my life. And so I pursued it, and have continued to learn and grow in my faith.

No one forced anything on me, and those that tried to just made me want to run in the opposite direction.

I think most people on this site ARE very respectful about their views and different opinions. But those who are not respectful, who respond with hatred and profanity, or otherwise demeaning attacks, leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths. There's no need for that.

Be nice. That's all I'm saying. The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same way, let's just agree to respectfully disagree.

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Did I say you were knocking

Submitted by IntricateGirl on March 30, 2006 - 5:47am.

Did I say you were knocking on people's doors? I'm accused of "assuming", but it seems you read the first paragraph and skipped the rest. That would be the true shame since this type behavior is exactly what I called into question. Instead of addressing anything I actually said, you took the time to share your personal story of Christianity with me. It sounds like cyber-knocking on my door to me. Even still, I don't care. I don't want to draw up a law that bans you from doing so. But ignoring the content in a response, in favor of witnessing, is quite off topic, and at least a little guilty of not showing respect.

You proceeded to share your beliefs. Did you ask me about mine? No. Go back and reread it, and that is the way that is my entire point in a nutshell.

So let me go back since my point was unclear. Here is your original post. My words are in bold. Then reread your last post, because it is EXACTLY what you profess to dislike.

"I agree that I have come across more conservatives who are intolerantly trying to intimidate others into having more tolerance!

Practice what you preach. If you want people to be tolerant of you, show tolerance of others too. Anyone sharing their beliefs doesn't mean they are trying to convert anyone - they are just sharing their beliefs. Take them or leave them, just like you want people to do about your beliefs.

If you want respect, start by giving respect."

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I'm truly sorry if I said

Submitted by cgwriter on March 31, 2006 - 4:07pm.

I'm truly sorry if I said anything to offend you or anyone else.

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Another Point

Submitted by Maverick on March 30, 2006 - 6:02am.

Hi cgwriter. I realize this little experiment may be beyond your abilities. Like IntricateGirl here I've noticed a tendancy on your part to not even bother to read what you respond to and so go completely off topic, bring up points already hashed out in detail, or just generally exhibit your complete lack of respect for anyone else here through not bothering to read at all that to which you respond.

But, still, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

Please start by reading this entry from the beginning. Seriously, start with the title of the original blog. Feel free to stop when you come to the first instances of name calling, hate mongering, etc.

Then come on down and report what you have learned. I am especially interested in finding out if the person who was the source of any meanness in this tread was Christian or bashing Christians.

Thanks!

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Well, I for one am bowing

Submitted by IntricateGirl on March 30, 2006 - 6:19am.

Well, I for one am bowing out. Not because I am not confident in what I've said, not because I feel I have nothing left to contribute to this, and not because I'm not interested in where this goes.

A) It's been shown that people with strong opinions disregard all facts in favor of things that support their own views. While I have called for respect from BOTH sides, I don't think this is what made it through, and I think people are viewing me as more rabid than I am. Blather on all day if you want about any topic that is important to you (this comment is directed at nobody but the thin blue air). My specific purpose on this planet- my calling if you will- is to learn. I have to shut up once in a while in order to be able to do that, and I have to go places where learning can occur. I don't see either happening on this discussion.

B) 113 hits and soon to be 17 comments?!? My best blog has never gotten 17 comments! What the eff?!? Should I stop blogging about the hideous dress Charlize Theron wore to the Oscars and start blogging about how the Irish should eat their babies (not often you see a Jonathon Swift shout-out), ALL in the name of the ever sacred hit? I think not. Nor will I contribute to controversy for the sake of controversy.

(But seriously- that was a freakin' UGLY dress Charlize wore to the Oscars. Come give me 17 comments on how much you agree or disagree. HeeHee!)

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Liberals!

Submitted by bugsey on April 5, 2006 - 6:34pm.

I am a Christian but I like liberals and I think that they're mighty more tolerant that the fundamentalists or the "rightists" who say think that everyone else is wrong. These so-called rightists and fundamentalists flaunt their moral superiority while most act like de olde Afgan Talibans with respect to issues like war, women's rights, and even female reporductive issues. (I am NOT saying I am pro-abortion btw). Have you been listening to Bill O Reilley too often?

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