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Pancho Villa's picture
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Sometimes we need to step back and take a long hard look at what we, as a society, are doing to ourselves. The recent raid on the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, near San Angelo, Texas is a case in point. Citizens all over the country are feeling the pain that the children must be enduring. Further, and perhaps more important, is the sense that our government is not responsive to our needs and is no longer true to the constitution of the United States. Reading between the lines, we see an immense distrust of our government at all levels.

Can we trust our government to do the correct thing? Can the government be trusted to follow the constitution without citizen intervention? Read what others have to say!

Posted by homespunlady on CBS

The OTHER thing the MEDIA IS GLOSSING OVER is that a LOT of these kids are being sent to so-called "CHILD RANCHES" that HAVE HAD serious COMPLAINTS FILED AGAINST THEM.

The VERY thing that the "polygamists" are being accused of has ALSO been some of the SAME COMPLAINTS AGAINST the "group-homes" and children''s "ranches or "towns" that they''re being sent to!!

Guess if they''re molested in "foster care" it''ll be a good "cover" to blame it on their "previous life".

Whats that saying about "people who live in GLASS HOUSES"???

On the one hand, the article vaguely alludes to the foster homes needing to serve BETTER FOOD rather than the toxin filled JUNK in the common American diet and the NEED to "train" these kids that they''re now facing a world of:
JERRY SPRINGER TEE-VEE
Iraq WAR propaganda
Shoot-em all and pick up streetwalkers video games
Lord of the Flies style schools
RUDENESS and Disrespect EVERYWHERE
FOSTER CARE experimental DRUGS
freely available PORNO
HIV infected illegitimate babies
Misogynist music AND
DISCRIMINATION based on every excuse under the sun.

Yep, they REALLY needed to be RIPPED FROM THEIR MOTHERS so the "American Culture" the REST OF THE WORLD DEPLORES NOW can "educate" them.

Posted by ojama
Does it seem to anyone else that the media is burying the information that the call from the 16 year old in the compound that started all this was a hoax?

Why is this not being investigated by the media?

The people posting here seem well informed as to the facts, but most people do not know this information and how it should effect the situation.

The government is doing here as it did in Iraq, a poorly researched justification to attack, a poorly planned strategy, no vision for the consequenses of their action, creating martyrdoom status for extremists, and now desperately seeking a smoking gun to prove the raid was the right thing to do.
(maybe I took the analogy a little too far, but you get my point)

Meanwhile, a bunch of innocents are being damaged.

We really need a third political party in this country.

Posted by godofredo29
The Amish are next.

The way the press focusses on this and not on that reminds me of the press''s focus on the Catholic priests but not on the same time of individuals in the Boy Scouts. It''s an example of McJournalism at its most heinous.

Of course, the next scandal is going to be foster care. This story is going shine a glaring light on the dysfunctional nature of foster care where the 400lb. foster dad and the foster parents keeping their wards in cages are the norm rather than the exception.

Posted by itgrammy
This whole ordeal has gotten way out of hand. Because of the stupid way it''s being handled, some slick lawyers are going to get them off, and the taxpayers are going to have to pay big bucks due to the lawsuits that ensue.

They should have sent people in to investigate the charges. yes, these people would have been outsiders and gotten the cold shoulder, but observation goes a long way in figuring out what might be going on. We also live in the times where you don''t need court approval wiretapping why should they be so afraid of getting a search warrant? Are you telling me that there''s not a judge in the state of texas that wouldn''t give the ok for investigators to go into these homes and snoop?

Where will this end? Maybe taking your 5 year old to sunday school should be looked upon as brainwashing and you will have them taken away. Or visa versa, maybe NOT taking your five year old the the APPROVED church is going to get them taken away.

Old men marrying a 15 year old as their 5th wife... throw him in jail... If the guy''s got 5 wives and 20 some kids that he can''t afford to take care of, take his money/property and watch the kids for signs of neglect and abuse, but you don''t uproot all the kids for what a few have done.

Posted by jcphus
It seems that the more the government screws up our standing in the world,the tighter controls it places on its people.i,e,TSA ,Homeland scuarity,etc

Posted by rushlimpdrug
"It''s confusing and scary for any kids to be removed from their home and put in foster care," Dr. Lisa Boesky"

What a bunch of krap.

This is EXACTLY what is wrong with today''s journalism.

EVERYONE knows the kids will suffer.

The problem is the absolute injustice being done to ALL the innocent folks.

Not all the kids and parents were abusers or being
abused, yet because of some reeetard making a call
everyone gets hauled in.

It is the old "kill''em all, let God sort them out"
mentality.

Sad
Very Sad
What this country has become.

This is just a small sampling of what the citizens are posting on public sites. The only thing I see wrong with this is that these same people that are posting these thoughts need to become politically active and vocal. Only through the political process can we ever hope to effect a change for the good of the country. Not voting is a vote that allows the status quo to continue.

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Catfish's picture

Mixed thoughts, Pancho,...

because I think the raid might have been excessive, yet based on the history of this particular group and past history with other groups such as the Branch Davidians, there really was no other way for the government to proceed and not take a major public relations hit.

True, not all of the children have been abused, and maybe not every single one of the young girls has been married off while being too young to a man way too old, but there are two things at play. One, we know that many of them were, and two, those who knew about the others were just going to keep going along with it, whether they believed it was correct or not.

America allows secrecy and privacy, but up to a point. When we hear bad stories of children who have been abused and killed, we cry out that the government isn't doing enough. Then, when they do something, we cry out that they've gone over the edge. It's a no-win scenario either way.

But I will say this; always err on the side of caution when it comes to kids.

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Actually, the FLDS children have been placed in

group homes, some of which I have been affiliated with in the past. Homespunlady's comment was a little lacking in all the facts.

When you are dealing with traumatized children there will often be issues with false accusations. These children learn at an early age that one way to get their way is to go on the attack and falsely accuse the people around them. These homes have very probably had charges filed against them but none of them were proven.

These homes are staffed and run by individuals who work for the lowest of wages (as I did) simply because they care deeply about the welfare of the children in their care. These individuals are also well trained - some of them very highly educated - and are supervisored by qualified medical and psychiatric staff. These aren't just minimum wage guards like the ones found in a correctional center. These people are trained to work with traumatized children. It's what they do because it's what they care about.

On the other hand, it has been proven - absolutely proven - that underage girls are forced, unwillingly, into marriage to older men in the FLDS. Now, you can word that any way you want. You can call it marriage or you can call it spiritual marriage - you can call it a union or a spiritual union. It all boils down to the same thing. Children are forced to have sex with older men on a continuing and permanent basis. And that's called rape - statutory rape. And under the circumstances that occur with that group it's also called enslavement - because those young women are forced to stay with their older "husbands" forever and have child after child. And their children, in turn, will be subjected to the same treatment. Those nasty old bastards are breeding their own children to satisfy their own perversions - perversions that are illegal in the US and in any civilized country.

So, say what you want about the foster homes that the children have been placed in - use all the excuses you want that it wasn't happening to all of them, that it's setting a bad precedent, that we don't have any proof, etc., etc., etc. We do have proof of what this organization does.

We have dozens of women who have escaped - we have dozens of young men who were exiled because there were too many men and not enough women (that tends to happen when you allot each man 5 or 6 wives) - and all of these people have talked and exposed what goes on inside these fortresses where law enforcement officials are not allowed to observe.

It's a terrible thing that the calls that prompted this raid were apparently a hoax. I have no idea what that will mean from a legal standpoint but it surely will make the State's case very difficult. I don't really see how the State can legally use any of the evidence it collected or how it can continue to keep the children off that ranch. From what I know of the law - which isn't all that much - it seems as though the State would be forced to hand back all that evidence and all the children.

But, in spite of that, I do hope that the State of Texas can persevere and stop the rape and enslavement of these young girls by this warped and perverted group of old men.

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And in response to that comment that not all the kids

were being abused - if that were true, should we just leave them all there because only a few of them were being abused? Or, once we determine which ones were being abused, should we return the ones that weren't so that they can take the places of the ones that were abused?

That organization's routine practice is to force young girls into sexual relations with older men. In an organization like that, which of those young girls is safe? And which of the young boys are likely to grow up with a healthy attitude toward women and sex?

Frankly, that comment was beyond ignorant. I hope whoever made it doesn't suffocate from keeping their head buried in the sand.

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Catfish's picture

Unfortunately, now we know the real story,...

after reading that more than half of hte girls between the ages of 14 - 17 have been pregnant, I think we can safely assume that some illegalities have taken place, so the raid doesn't seem so unwarranted anymore.

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