Breastfeeding an Older Child - Scandalous or Natural?

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Recently, I wrote an entry about the fact that my son, at two-and-a-half, has noticed the fact that he and I have different anatomy. In my entry, I just happened to mention that I have taken a shower with my son, which caused quite a stir in the comments section(read it here). Some readers shared that Canadian social services remove children from homes in which young children bathe with opposite sex parents. In relaying this set of events to my husband, he says, "Goodness, what would people think about that friend of yours who is still breastfeeding her two-year-old?"

This got me thinking: "What DO people think about folks who breastfeed for long periods of time?" I've read in Parents magazine about a woman who is still breastfeeding her kindergartner. She believes in self-weaning, so she allows her children to choose when to stop breastfeeding.

The person I know who still breastfeeds her two-year-old does it because it helps him sleep. He is her only child, and she won't be having another since her son was born when she was in her early 40's after fertility treatments. She admits that she spoils him a bit, which she's happy to do. Not only does she find it comforting to her son to nurse, she also enjoys the experience herself.

I have to admit that, while I have heard from breastfeeding women that they really enjoy the experience and the closeness it brings between the mother and baby, I did not experience that at all. I hated breastfeeding. I realize that it's not politically correct to admit that, especially in today's atmosphere of "if you don't breastfeed you're a bad mom," but it's a fact. I found it a hugely miserable experience. My son had some issues with his ability to suck, and I was left feeling like I was unable to feed my own child. My bleeding nipples and I went into hiding after a week of me crying at every feeding and I pumped breast milk for my son until he was six weeks old. I froze a ton of it (I'm apparently a damn good milk maker) and wound up throwing a lot of it out after the doctors feared that he had an allergy to various components of the milk (it turned out he had acid reflux and could have drank all that milk just fine. THAT was depressing).

Even the pumping was difficult. My son cried A LOT of the time (because of the reflux, as we later discovered) and I had my hands full juggling bottle feeding, washing all the bottles, pumping, and washing all the pumping equipment. Balancing suction cups on my breasts while bouncing a crying baby in a bouncer seat and trying not to cry myself was commonplace. It was a rough time in my life, and I don't remember it fondly. Of course, I'm going to try to do it all again with my next kid(sigh) so we will see how it goes.

While I can't identify with the moms who breastfeed until their children are walking, talking, and going to school, I don't really think it's doing their kids any harm (maybe the kindergartner might get teased). I haven't read up on this phenomenon, so maybe there is some research out there showing that it impacts the way children develop mentally. But it certainly puts a child in much closer contact with a mother's naked body than when a mom showers with her toddler or puts on her clothes in front of him. So, what do you guys think about this?

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This is a tough one BF

It's tough to call what the psychological ramifications are going to be when the children get older. These young boys grow up to become men! You have to be careful of the impressions you create in them early on.

True!

I really have no idea what breastfeeding over a long period of time would do in terms of "creating an impression." All I know is, if I manage to do it for a short period of time it will be an accomplishment!

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I wuz gonna talk bout the breastin and feedin

I want too so bad but the gentleman that resides and governs all of "Bob's" self-control is winning the battle of decorum and good-taste. So this is what it looks like when I actually have a handle on my spelling and grammatical wits. Scary, jest damn scary!

I guess I should thank you for exhibiting self control.

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Great Debate!

I'm impressed with this topic. You always write great stuff, but i really like this one.

Hmmm...this is tricky. I don't think parents should breastfeed after a year. My son was born in August 2005, so Being a first time parent I was nervous. I couldn't work at the bar during my pregnancy so I spent TONS of time reading every book my library had about children, how to raise them, nutrition, etc. I wish there was a book called "Rasing Kids for Dummies". That would really simplify things. But since that book doesn't exist I have discovered the following:

1. Breastfeeding after 18 months can actually be harmful to your child emotionally. It can lead to seperation anxiety. I think you kinda touched on this when you said that one kid can't sleep without it. Well, sorry to say, but one day the kid is going to have to be put to bed breast-less. Better to "break the habit" sooner than later.

2. The "nutrition" found in breast milk is no longer needed after a certain age. I believe it was 12 months. Children can now get that nutrition from other places since they can eat solids. Baby foods these days are fortified with extra stuff. (protien?)

3. Many books actually SUGGEST bathing with your child. It didn't say anything about "Boys only shower with boys". I think that once you child becomes aware of the physical differences it may be time to pull the plug on opposite sex showers. Just my opinion. I will say this too; my husband got in a bad habit of always taking our son into the tub with him. Now our baby only wants to get a bath if his daddy is there too. Kinda the same thing as the breastfeeding seperation anxiety.
But the reason the book suggest bathing with the baby is to get them comfortable of their surroundings.

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Thanks, realitycheck!

First of all, thanks for the very kind compliment. I really appreciate it, and I enjoy your blog as well.

Second - do you know where you read about the "after 18 months" thing? I think that would be helpful information for the mom I know. Plus, it would be GREAT info for the breastfeeding guru who commented on this same blog at Writing Up. I can't go back with the info though unless I have something to quote back to. The American Academy of Pediatrics apparently says to do it up to one year and then after that as long as both mom and child are comfortable.

Regarding the bath thing - good grief that topic EXPLODED on my Writing Up blog. It has well over four hundred reads and over 90 comments! Some people from Canada have been very worked up because they have heard that their social service system will remove children from the home of those who bathe with their kids. Someone related to someone in the SS dept. says that's not true. Very interesting stuff.

Thanks so much for the read and the comment.

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Breastfeeding leads to separation anxiety?

I am fascinated with this assertion. How we raise and nourish our children, both physically and mentally, is clearly a very personal thing, but at the same time something that can really push other peoples' buttons. I've looked over all the research literature and cannot find a single mention of breastfeeding at any age leading to separtion anxiety, so I am wondering where this information comes from. The World Health Organization, in its most recent study, again concluded that nursing until at least the age of two was greatly beneficial to the child. For those of us who live in developed countries and have access to clean safe alternatives to breastfeeding, it's not so much of an issue, but it does serve to remind us of the fact that this is a completely natural process and that nursing toddlers, while not often done in our society at the present time, is something that has been going on throughout history.

For the record, my kids both nursed until they were between two and three years old (one weaned at around 2 1/2, the other a bit older). I can't say that they suffer much from separation anxiety, my daughter is currently working in Japan for six weeks without me, and my son is happily getting ready to go away to college.

sassie

Right, that's why I wanted the source of the info

I'd never heard it before either.

I'm thinking if it is at all true (which I'm not sure it is) it would only refer to short-term separation anxiety. I can't imagine anything like that would have any long-term impact.

Thanks for the comment!

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The material -

I BELIEVE one of my main sources was the book "What to expect when you're expecting". Have you heard of it? It's a best seller. It has become a Bible to me in a way. I have things underlined, highlighted, circled. But that is one source I think. If I have time later I will TRY to remember to look it up. Also check the internet. Just do a quick search for something like "When to stop breastfeeding". You'll probably find numerous sources with similar information.
I think the Academy of Pediatrics means "with in reason". It is not reasonable to b.f. a two year old. Is it? If it was wouldn't EVERYBODY be doing this? For Pete's Sake, a baby can have cows milk at 12 months, right? I truly think it's for the mother, not the baby. The mother doesn't want to "let go". She wants her kid to be a baby forever.
I was glad my son didn't want to breast feed. I am happy to give him bottles. I remember how miserable it was for the first few months trying to pump, cleaning pumps, etc. I am a bottle-with-disposable-liner-mother.
AND, people argue that formula is not as good as breast milk, well, not according to the leading manufacturers. It probably wasn't a close compairison 20 years ago, but todays science has changed formula completely. There so many vitamins in it.

As for the showering thing; As you said, your child noticed the difference between genders. Now is the time to stop bathing together. Prior to now he DIDN'T notice, so why not?
I understand that some laws need to be made for the criminals that NEED the laws. I don't think those laws really would refer to you. They are made so sick individuals are not given "opportunity". Don't stress over the negetive feedback you got. You know what your relationship with your son is and that's all that matters.
People tell me that everything I do is wrong.
Bottom line: I am the parent and I will make decisions that I feel are in my sons best interest.

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I had a whole answer written

And my kid just came by and hit something that deleted it. Sigh.

I'll research myself on the breastfeeding issue. I do have that book.

Regarding noticing the difference between the sexes - my son noticed that when I was going to the bathroom. While I don't expect to shower with him much more (it was a rare occurrance anyway) there is no way he can avoid seeing me go to the bathroom. We go lots of places and use public restrooms and it's not safe to leave him anywhere but in the stall with me. Unfortunately I pee A LOT so he's just going to have to deal with that.

So far he just made that one comment - asking me where my penis was, and after that he's just forgotten about the whole thing.

Thanks!

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Breasfeeding an older child

The World Health Organization suggests breastfeeding for at least TWO YEARS of a child's life. I know lots of women (online) who breastfeed their children to ages people would be disgusted at. I'm not sure what the emotional ramifications of such a situation would be, but I think in most cases it isn't a problem. I do think it's a bit strange to breastfeed a child over 2 1/2 or 3 years old.

I breastfeed my first until she was 18 months old or so. I stopped because I became pregnant with my 2nd. Now that my first is 2 years old, I couldn't imagine breastfeeding her now. I wouldn't want to. I plan to stop breastfeeding my second between a year and a year and a half.

That said, I think people thinking about breastfeeding an older child as gross are just those in our society. We've made breasts into a sexual symbol, obviously. But breasts are there for a reason. They're there to nourish our children. There's nothing sexual about it. It's not the mothers who breastfeed their children for years who need to change, it's the way we look at breasts need to change.

But I'm sure I'm in the minority when it comes to parenting. I don't like the idea of "breaking" our children, either. Where are the attachment parenting moms around here!

I agree that it's a culture thing

Americans have a lot of "breast" hangups that are not part of other cultures, I think.

What do you mean by breaking our children? Like "breaking them from the bottle"?

I'm not an attachment parenting person, sorry. I probably subscribe to some of their beliefs though :)

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Good topic...

This is a good topic to talk about. I feel breastfeeding a baby is very good since it establishes a clossness between mother and child. However breastfeeding a 5 year old may be a bit too old.

breastfeeding a five year old

That does seem a bit much, doesn't it? I'm not sure exactly why it makes me uncomfortable, but it does a bit. I also think you can be very close to your child without breastfeeding. In fact, for me, breastfeeding drove a wedge between me and my son because I was so miserable while doing it. I was supposed to feed him every three to four hours and let me tell you, it was four every time unless he acted hungry before! But of course it's very good nutrition-wise.

Thanks for the comment!

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Your experience...

I am sorry it was an unpleasent experience for you and that it was physically painful for you. I have a friend on another site who stated that since she breastfeeds her daughter, her "you know whats" snag and hang but she does it since it is nutritious and also for financial reasons.

I agree about the five year old too.

Thanks!

I hope it will be better next time around.

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I Will get you that source!

I have spent every free second trying to "promote" my blogs. I will get you a source.
You may be right, it could have been short tem seperation anxiety. I'm not sure. I just know it was an issue. If you think about it though, it kinda makes sense. I am a married adult. I sleep next to my husband every night. If he is not there I just can't sleep.
Maybe you can relate. Now could you imagine this situation on a childs level? They are very attached to their mother. A bonding experience for the both of them is breast feeding. Now, at the age of two, or three, the mother decides to end this experience completely? That seems like it would have an effect. Doesn't it? Or am I way out in left field?
Like I said before, I think you kinda touched on the issue when you
said that the kid can't go to bed without breastfeeding. Can you imagine how it would be for that mother to breastfeed the same child for an ADDITIONAL year then stop?

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Perhaps the difference is...

...some people's kids wean on their own. It seems like the kid just gets too busy for it or whatever.

I can certainly see how my friend's situation is a problem - she's used the breast as a sleep aid, and so her kid can't sleep without it. That problem could be avoided in the same way you avoid using a bottle as a sleep aid - you try to time things so that you put them to bed when they are drowsy, but not sleeping. Of course, that can be easier said than done!

Realitycheck, you did tell me you thought you read some of it in the What to Expect book. I didn't look to see if that book indicates a source. I will, though.

How is the blog promotion going? What are you doing to promote it, if you don't mind me asking?

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Problem?

Your friend's situation is a problem if it's not working for her and her family, otherwise, rest assured that so far I've never met a kid who is still nursing when he's learning to drive (which would definitely create a dangerous situation). My daughter couldn't fall alseep without nursing until one day she decided she'd had enough, and that was that. She never looked back. That doesn't mean it's right for everyone, this is such a personal decision, and doing or not doing whatever doesn't make you a good or bad parent, although I do remember that being a constant worry when my kids were little. I got so much flak for the way I raised my kids when they were little, and now I get compliments all the time for what lovely young adults they've turned out to be. Go figure! It's often the same people who don't even remember all their dire warnings about how my kids would turn out all screwed up. One thing is certain, never raise your kid the way someone else raises their kid unless you're the same kind of person. Kids have to be raised in a way that's compatible with the kind of family they live in, not in a way that is correct according to this or that book. Books are great, they reassure us, answer our questions, etc. etc. but they can't tell us what kind of people we are, or what kind of people we want our kids to be. It makes sense that, all of us being different, we're going to take different routes to get where we're going.

sassie

She's been complaining about it.

I actually don't know this woman very well but I know she's been complaining about this issue to some of the mom's I hang out with. You are exactly right, it's only a problem if it isn't working for either mom or kid!

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in that case...

It would be tempting to take a page from the dog training world and just tell her 'train, don't complain' vbg

sassie

Heh!

That's one of those sayings that has become overused, I think. Some things can't be trained easily.

In this case, I do think she needs to just bite the bullet and do what has to be done. No one is making it happen but herself!

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yeah

I did mean it jokingly. It's certainly true that some things can't be trained easily. On the other hand, if someone is complaining about their nursing toddler, while it might not be easy to wean, it's time to do it!

sassie

Agreed!

You know, I have no problem with people complaining when they are working to solve a problem. Sometimes it makes you feel better to let off some steam, and getting sympathy is helpful. But when people complain and sit around and don't do anything to help themselves...I lose my patience with that.

I have a health problem that took something like 8 years to get diagnosed. I did my fair share of complaining, but I also went to different doctors, followed their directions, and did my research. I did not stop until I got to the right dr., who diagnosed me in about 2 minutes (unfortunately, when you have a bladder problem, you deal with urologists, most of whom specialize in men's issues. When I finally found one who specialized in women, I got a real diagnosis instead of a few words of advice and a pat on the shoulder). The problem wasn't fixable in two minutes (or ever, but it got a HELL of a lot better, and I don't live in daily pain any more). If I had just sat around and kept complaining, I think I might have gone crazy or become clinically depressed or I don't know what by now.

So, I guess my attitude is, train and complain, but if you don't train, shut the hell up. LOL!

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-So, I guess my attitude is,

-So, I guess my attitude is, train and complain, but if you don't train, shut the hell up. LOL!-

Works for me!

sassie

Glad you like it

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I'm sooo in agreement!

I COMPLETELY agree w/fjoiris on this one. as I wrote the other day, people continually tell me how to raise my son. It's so aggrivating. The books are excellent resources, but thay are guidelines. As parents we know what is right for our kids.

Brenna - I sent you a private message about the promotional stuff cuz I plan to write a blog on it next week!
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I'll never forget...

I'm a "follow the rules, do things by the book" person. I read every parenting book I could get my hands on. One day when my son was an infant he was sobbing like crazy and could not get to sleep. I was talking on the phone to my dad at the time and I said to him, "The books say not to pick him up." My dad said, "What would you do if you didn't have a book." I said, "Pick him up, of course!" I did that and it helped the baby AND me out a ton!

Thanks, realitycheck! I'll check that info out very soon. Much thanks!!!

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neat

Sounds like you've got a great dad!

sassie

I do!

:)

I can't tell you how many dog things he's gone to that he couldn't have cared less about, lol!

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Extended nursing

My sister-in-law nursed my niece until she was almost four. This was back in the early nineties. Her husband (my husband's brother) had been deployed to Iraq in the original Desert Storm right when she was getting ready to wean. The deployment set her back - she regressed a bit developmentally. Then when he came back, everybody thought everything would settle down and she would self-wean. She didn't. It was quite something to be sitting in their livingroom and have this tall-for-her-age three year (almost four year) old child walk up to her mom and stick her head under her shirt. I've nursed four babies since then and I'm STILL uncomfortable with the idea of such extended nursing. I don't think "one" is a magic number, though. If 52 weeks is fine, why is 53 weeks NOT fine? Or 54? Or 60?

That said, my oldest three weaned to a bottle at around 10 or 11 months because my nipples couldn't take the biting anymore. Better the plastic nipple than my own!

My baby - I don't know how long she will nurse. She just turned 6 months and she is completely refusing a bottle. She'll take expressed milk in a cup, but she still needs to nurse. I suppose we will wait and see. She may wean completely to a cup by 10 months.

Wow, no bottles at all?

For me this would be so hard - to be the only one who can actually feed a baby. Yikes! Congrats to you for pulling it off!

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