Behind every Christian face lies a misguided "Soul".

Behind every Christian face lies a misguided "Soul".

Submitted by Gnosisquest on March 7, 2006 - 12:22pm. Christian failures | christianity | humanities | Philosophy | Religious failures

Christian values, or claims that those are a motivation, have been employed by more misguided people than any other excuse. Yes, excuses, because regardless of outcome it was done in the name of “God�?.

The fact seems to be that as soon as someone employs religious values as their motivation, things get worse. This has been the case from Marcos to Pope Innocent III.

The question is not whether any administration becomes a better tool for peace by the use of Christian values. The question is-- does religion contain it's own flaw which corrupts those who attempt to use it to create a better world. Everyone is doing what they think is best for the World.

Mankind is not inherently evil. Aren't we created by the perfect Source as His offspring?

Through history, in spite of the 1500 year reign of the Christian Church there has never been any person who has made the world a better place by employing "Christian Values" or "Muslim Values" or any other "Label Values". A sure sign of failure and disaster is another leader coming to the fore with the same motivation.

Yes, Christianity as we know it started it's formation after the closure of the last Greek School by Justinian in the sixth Century.

So why sin? a sinner you are not!

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The Concept of Sound Doctrine

Submitted by tundrades on March 7, 2006 - 1:06pm.

About your statement about how "In the name of God" things have been done by misguided people than any other excuse.

I have to agree with you. Why? The bible in Jesus times we are told where Jesus warned His disciples to 15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 “You will know them by their fruits. MT 7:15

False prophets are particularly dangerous because they appear to be genuine. They seemingly have the credentials of authority. What are these credentials? Jesus calls them ‘sheep’s clothing’ (verse 15).

Refer to my post The Concept of Sound Doctrine

The probelm is many well intentioned Christians have been brought up in many denominational christians churches that do not teach sound doctrine. This has been handed down generation to generation. and each denomination has failed to correct these false teachings.

I have spent many years searching for truth and I am now involved in a ministry that seeks truth and sound doctrine.

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I understand why your fear overcomes logic

Submitted by Anonymous on March 10, 2006 - 9:50am.

Having been brought up fundamentalist Christian, I can understand your fear of rejecting what you've been told all your life is the only truth. Not acknowledging JC as the son of g** seems enough to be struck by lightning.

But the truth is that if there is a g** out there, everyone can see that he's doing a lousy job of caring for his children. If we as human beings do so much better a job at caring for each other than this supposed g** is doing, what kind of g** could "he" be.

Not a very good one.

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In Wako?

Submitted by Maverick on March 7, 2006 - 1:16pm.

Got Kool-Aid?

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Wako

Submitted by tundrades on March 7, 2006 - 1:20pm.

No nothing to do with that group associated with Wako. You are the one that needs to have the Kool-Aid.

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Sound Doctrine!

Submitted by Gnosisquest on March 7, 2006 - 1:41pm.

Wako, how on earth will you be able to arrive at a sound doctrine? It seems to me you would have to go way back to the earliest manuscripts, discarding everything after the 1'st Nicene council. It is well known that St. Eusebius in the fourth century stated that "It is quite acceptable to lie as long as it furthers the cause of God"!

St. Irenaeus said that you know that resurrection the true Churches it is the Church still which resurrects people.

Back to the original scriptures of Paul, none of those would deny a Gnostic affiliation. The Old Testament as well as the New is all translated from "The Leningrad Codex and the Aleppo Codex from the 10th and Ninth Century. These have booth been modified by the early Church, if you go to the OT known by the Israelites from the third century BC to the second century AD, found at the caves by the Dead Sea and at Masada you will have an absurd Bible! (The book of Enoch which was a part of the Bible is truly absurd)!

It seems to me that the only way to make any sound theology would be to adopt the Gnostic writings!

Best RG

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"Waco"

Submitted by TLEstrogen on March 7, 2006 - 5:16pm.

Everyone should brush up on their spelling once in awhile.

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Since You Didn't Seem To Get It

Submitted by Maverick on March 7, 2006 - 5:18pm.

I was expanding on the Waco Wacko pun but was avoiding actually using "wacko."

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Waco Chicken soup

Submitted by Gnosisquest on March 7, 2006 - 5:23pm.

Yes Maverick, I got it, and re-used it when I saw someone again attempt to make chicken soup out of chicken dung.

Best RG

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That wasn't for you, Gnosisquest

Submitted by Maverick on March 7, 2006 - 8:45pm.

It was for TLEstrogen.

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I understand why your fear overcomes logic

Submitted by Anonymous on March 10, 2006 - 9:53am.

My previous post was meant to respond to tundrades who said:
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About your statement about how "In the name of God" things have been done by misguided people than any other excuse.

I have to agree with you. Why? The bible in Jesus times we are told where Jesus warned His disciples to 15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 “You will know them by their fruits. MT 7:15

Refer to my post The Concept of Sound Doctrine

I have spent many years searching for truth and I am now involved in a ministry that seeks truth and sound doctrine.

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Logic and the teaching of "sin"

Submitted by Gnosisquest on March 10, 2006 - 4:08pm.

I did not see anyone on this thread named "tundrades" so I don't know if I should respond. I fear however you are sadly misguided if you think a rejection of the Biblical scriptures bring about fear.

Furthermore, I checked your post regarding sound doctrine and I saw nothing sound being proposed. There is for example no evidence a Jesus as described in the Bible ever existed, (yes, I have read the supposed evidence in "Josephus").

Teaching that mankind is a sinner is unsound and irresponsible and I propose that if you are establishing a Church teaching this you are guilty of misleading people for your own profits regardless of what you call it.

In addition to this, if you are teaching any part of the Old Testament as factual you are also guilty of lies for there is absolutely no evidence any of its tales are correct, there is an abundance of evidence that it is all based on faulty logic.

I do not understand how anyone could become a theologian and not read basic material regarding Biblical errors, hence in my eyes preaching the Bible as "God's" word is a crime against humanity!

Can you give any evidence that there is anything correct in the entire Bible?

It should be obvious to you and anyone else that since the Bible is in error, teaching it as fact is an impediment to humanity as a whole. Teaching people that they are sinners from the time they can walk serves to bring people down; people need to be brought up! Besides, how dare you talk of the fears others might have when you preach a religion based on fear?

Humanity can't possibly exist in time as we move freely in time or space. (We employ our memory to recount the past and imagination to visualize the future). Not existing in time means Socrates was right in his analysis and we could not be born when these bodies come into existence, corollary our lives can't possibly end when the use of these bodies come to an end.

How dare you for example preach to people regarding heaven and hell? The place where the Israelites got this from is only recorded in "The Book of Enoch", would you be willing to teach this book as Gospel? (The church employed until the eleventh century and aspects still linger to this very day).

It is obvious to me that the Church has no interest but its own, after about 1600 years of failure it's about time to discard the cult as a failure, let’s employ logic to resurrect humanity and find out what we really are!

Best RG

Behind every excuse lies a failure, to justify a failure only compounds its magnitude.

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My mistake,

Submitted by Gnosisquest on March 11, 2006 - 6:10pm.

Thinking the earlyer post was made by tundrades, not having checked the names of the posters properly my response was in eror.

Best RG

Behind every excuse lies a failure, to justify a failure only compounds its magnitude.

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"God is doing a lousy job?"

Submitted by cgwriter on March 12, 2006 - 10:11pm.

God gave us free will. How is He doing a "lousy job" if we choose to ignore his teachings?

If He says "don't lie" and we do it anyway, is He to blame? If He says "love your neighbor as yourself" and we say, nah, that's too hard, I only want to worry about MY needs, is He to blame?

If I tell my teenager, don't have unprotected sex, teach him sexual responsibility and even provide him with condoms, and he ends up with syphilis on top of getting someone pregnant, have I done a lousy job or has he made poor choices and now has to face the consequences?

Who REALLY is to blame here???

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God and free will!

Submitted by Gnosisquest on March 13, 2006 - 4:27am.

The people who come with the statement that God gave them free will are an example of how some people just don't think. It is also proof that people have never read the Bible!

If you have free will then you don't have to worship the deity, no punishment for not following him for you would have free will!

The Old Testament is a plethora of examples of how the Deity attempted to crush the free will of the Israelites if it was taken literally so that notion is only an indication of how people are able to shut off their minds in order to create excuses!

But not to worry, the God of the Old Testament never existed, just read some of my other posts on this blog and that will become obvious.

No cgwriter, if God tells you don't lie and you do, you would only be exercising your free will. There is a far higher order at work than that which is peddled by the religious community, read my other posts!

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Behind every excuse lies a failure, to justify a failure only compounds its magnitude.

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Just curious

Submitted by cgwriter on March 13, 2006 - 12:00pm.

Why do you think you are such an expert? Where does your "vast knowledge" on this come from? Are you a theologian? Have you spent years researching and studying this? Or are these just your own thoughts?

How often do you read the bible?

Are you saying I'm supposed to believe your blog over the bible? Why? Do you have anything to back up that you and only you are telling the truth, other than your own inflated opinion of yourself?

You say "if you have free will then you don't have to worship the deity" - yes, right! You don't HAVE to do anything. "Free will" means you are free to choose to follow God and believe in Him... or not.

I just don't understand why you say God is doing a lousy job, yet are lamenting how bad our lives are. ALL of OUR actions have consequences, good or bad.

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Experts!

Submitted by Gnosisquest on March 13, 2006 - 4:06pm.

To answer your questions, yes I have spent about fifty years studying religion. I have been a member of excusive groups of theologians, archeologists and historians for about twenty years.

That which I state, in posts such as "Correcting Biblical Falsehoods" and here are widely known by the so called experts, yet they choose not to let the "faithful" know of these discrepancies. Since I know that the greatest "stumbling block" to social order, peace and harmony among western civilizations is the unsubstantiated myth about "original sin" I have decided to write about it.

And I say if we had free will and choose not to worship the deity you are clamoring about we would not be punished or rewarded for our choice. Once you enter punishment or enticements into the equation it is no longer free will!

A few hundred years ago when people could either show up for Church services or be burned at the stake as “Heretics�?. By your equation those people also had free choice.

In addition, I do not say God is doing a lousy job; the Church is doing a lousy job. A god which is as historical as Gandolph of Tolkien fame has no influence on society. Your so called God just does not exist!

Best RG

Behind every excuse lies a failure, to justify a failure only compounds its magnitude.

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First...

Submitted by cgwriter on March 13, 2006 - 10:05pm.

...I want to apologize. I was curious about your emphatic opinions and why you have positioned yourself as an expert, but I shouldn't have said anything about your "inflated opinion of yourself" - that was going too far and not an example of Christ-like behavior on my part. So I am sorry.

Second, I appreciate you answering my questions rather than just attacking me like many others might have done. I appreciate that you feel strongly about your beliefs.

However, I still don't understand your argument against free will - maybe you might think I'm simpleminded - but free will doesn't mean free from consequences. It means freedom to choose, to do as you want. Do you believe we live in a world free from consequences? Regardless of punishment or reward, you can still choose to believe or not believe in whether or not these will happen and act accordingly.

As for me, I'm not searching for answers. I'm not searching for the Church's truth or your truth or anyone else's - I have found my own Truth and I don't need anyone else to tell me He is or isn't God. It's my own personal relationship with Him - and yes, I do have one - that has convinced me, not anyone else's opinion.

But you do have the freedom - or free will - to choose to believe what you believe. If you think I'm "misguided", that's fine with me. It's not your opinion I'm worried about.

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Free will,

Submitted by Gnosisquest on March 14, 2006 - 4:31pm.

You have freedom to choose the political party you want; regardless who you choose you will not be punished for the action.
Should a person have voted Republican he may now regret his choice because he does not approve of the consequences of his action.

If your teenager is free to choose his/her mate it means you as a parent does not punish the child for the choice; the teenager may suffer the consequences down the road.

There are religious organizations that state God gave them free will and then will punish them if they do not choose according to what he desires. That is not free will!

There is no place in the Bible where the deity claims man was given free will, this is just an explanation employed by theologians to explain away some of the biblical shortcomings.

Best RG

Behind every excuse lies a failure, to justify a failure only compounds its magnitude.

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OK Girls quit pissing on each other!

Submitted by Sassys on June 9, 2007 - 11:19am.

Sassys

I was brought up half Catholic and half Jewish...I AM the MOST guilty, so I win!!! You are all going to hell...I might even allow you safe passage through "GO". *Sheesh* Than again there's "Limbo" or is that a dance? Hmmmm?

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