Anti-Anti-Americanism

Submitted by James24 on September 28, 2007 - 7:07am.

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I know I have written about this before but some recent remarks from people I like, yes, friends and acquaintances, that I deemed to be foolishly anti-American prompted me to take up the quill once more.

Growing up in Europe during the eighties to be fervently against anything connected with the US was very fashionable. Leftoids everywhere would have you believe that the Soviet Union was much maligned and that the US were just as bad because ‘look at what they did in Vietnam..’ et cetera.

No one seemed to appreciate that were it not for those vast US and British armies stationed in the western part of Europe, we’d all be speaking Russian and standing in the queue for empty shops if we weren’t busy being shipped off to Siberia.

Of course, in Europe as elsewhere in the world we are used to the American stereotype of the rotund dimwit tourist, burger-belly liberally overflowing the belt-buckle, fanny pack, T-shirt with some insipid slogan, the ubiquitous baseball cap. The type of tourist that travels in large packs, ‘does’ fifteen countries in seven days and always seems to talk so incredibly loudly.

I once met an American in Germany who sighed with relief when he found a McDonalds being disappointed with the German cuisine, which, now I think of it, may not be so unreasonable after all. But still.

And then there was the lady from America that we came across when looking around the ancient Medieval galley kitchen that the monks used to cook their meals in at Glastonbury Abbey. Looking at the stone furnaces and pots and pans exhibited this lady turned to us and screeched: “Gosh, can you imagine having to cook without a microwave?!”

And yet, Europe is a diverse continent with all manner of people in a great number of different countries. Many people over here don’t seem to appreciate how vast America is and that it must be a true melting pot, attracting immigrants from around the world.

In the UK and Europe we don’t know how to handle the large influx of immigrants, are squeamish about insisting on integration and assimilation. In the US as in other traditional emigrants’ havens, one is encouraged to become an American citizen with all that that entails. I sort of like that and I think many newcomers do as well.

I think a lot of this must have to do with the fact that for the past decades the US has been the dominant force on the world stage. Envy can play strange tricks on the mind. Now we have the likes of China and India looming large on the horizon, fast approaching and allegiances may be shifted elsewhere.

Some people I know who persist in their anti-American rhetoric have an obvious blind-spot in other respects. They say they hate what the US in their view stands for; isn’t Bush a buffoon et cetera, how dare they support Israel and so on, isn’t Starbucks awful? (which it is..).

On the other hand these very same people love actors such as Johnny Depp or John Malkovich, they may enjoy Scorsese’s films, they think Woody Allen was right-on, oh and of course the Doors were very cool, and the internet isn’t too shabby either. They don’t seem able to realise that what they love so much is also American. Their attitude, therefore, is unfair, unbalanced and illogical.

I have not yet been to see what America is like myself. Now that I can hop over to New York from my local airport I just may go and have a look.

“Have a nice day.”

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September 28, 2007 - 9:59am

I have to say, James,...

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Catfish Says:

that I appreciate a post like this, being American myself. Sure, we have lots of bad issues, but many times when I hear people from other countries bashing the U.S., it sounds like sour grapes because, in the same moment, if someone offered them a free trip they'd jump on it in a heartbeat, probably wanting to go to either NYC or LA.

America is indeed vast; heck, though we use most of the same words, we don't really all speak the same language all the time. So, we're not this big monolith of one that we may be perceived to be, until it's time for us to be, such as with wars or tragedies. Then we find a way to come together and unite for the common cause, even if it is only temporary.

Course, having said that, many of us don't speak all that well of some European countries either, because of our differences. As Americans, we have all sorts of mixes of people, but for the most part the English are English, Irish are Irish, French are French, Germans are German, etc. That melting pot mentality isn't quite as strong, and, of course, then we pop over there, expecting Europeans to be like the ones we meet in America, and are sometimes disappointed.

No matter. Through this medium called the internet, parts of the world are getting smaller, and maybe we can eliminate some of those expectations, which may minimize some of the disappointments, and bring us all closer together. Thanks again for this post.

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September 28, 2007 - 10:17am

I appreciate your balanced comment,

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James24 Says:

Catfish. I think a lot of this antagonism is down to ignorance. Once people actually travel to the US they always come back with stories of how wonderful New York is et cetera, and of how friendly the people generally are. When you think about it it's quite astounding how far the US has come in its relatively brief history. I think the old nations of Europe resent having had to step back and let the Yanks take over pole position. It brings home the point of how useless any stereotype is, really.

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September 28, 2007 - 2:41pm

Hello there, our Richard. Happy to read a post from ya :)!

Inquest of a Woman Says:

I find that many who dislike the United States also own a dislike for Her president. But it does seem silly to dislike an entire country for what a president does. The United States is quite large and extremely diverse; but to hear some folks carry on, one would think it were small, with but one inhabitant. Americans do not all think or act the same, and they do not all like Starbucks :)! So, why hate them all?

It does seem an unfortunate human trait among us, that we tend to generalize our feelings for people unjustly. Herein we find discrimination of all kinds and many resultant unfortunate tragedies, both historical and ongoing. 'Tis a shame, ain't?

You speak to the issue well, our Richard, as always. Great post.

September 28, 2007 - 11:50pm

Thanks for your comment, IOAW.

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James24 Says:

I just loathe the lazy thinking that some people employ who cultivate a strong dislike of a cliche stereotype while also really liking some other American phenomena but then not wanting to admit this and saying that these other things they like 'aren't really American'. And yes, that president doesn't do them any favours, really. I read the other day that his latest grammatical atrocity was when he was asked to speak on education and proclaimed: "Childrens do learn." Go figure..

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September 29, 2007 - 7:02am

"Childrens do learn." Heeheeeheee!

Inquest of a Woman Says:

Poor President Bush. Perhaps now with the conclusion of his rule, he will find time for other matters, like grammar improvement. It behoves him, as a public speaker, to work at it.

September 29, 2007 - 7:23am

Perhaps he could start with 'Spot goes to Town...'

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September 29, 2007 - 8:04am

Hahahahaha, our Richard!

Inquest of a Woman Says:

Oh how I've missed your sense of humour! Hahahahahaha!

September 29, 2007 - 9:12am

It's a noble pursuit to

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James24 Says:

try to make the ladies laugh..

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September 29, 2007 - 7:02am

"Childrens do learn." Heeheeeheee, our Richard.

Inquest of a Woman Says:

Poor President Bush. Perhaps now with the conclusion of his rule, he will find time for other matters, like grammar improvement. It behoves him, as a public speaker, to work at it.

September 29, 2007 - 8:04am

How was your week, our Richard?

Inquest of a Woman Says:

Did ya have a good one?

September 29, 2007 - 9:15am

Not a bad week apart from

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James24 Says:

a trip to the dentist with my poor old gnashers and being treated to fifty-five minutes of dental entertainment without recourse to anaesthestics which I thought was a novel approach. These minor things are sent to test us. Also, it was the last quiet week at work before term starts again and all the students return in their masses. Sigh...

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September 29, 2007 - 9:38am

Courage, Man :)!

Inquest of a Woman Says:

You shall doubtless meet the influx with the valour of a novice.

As to the dentist...Dear me, our Richard, I do emphasize greatly with you. I was cursed with long, stubborn fangs, apparently, which, to my eternal dismay, have never succeeded to remove themselves normally, without external assistance. Thus, I have been made to sit, to the era of pre-teenagehood, in the wretched chair EVERY time a tooth slightly loosened, at the mercy of the notorious dentist. And he would shove his implements of removal into my mouth and tear the horrid thing away from my aching gums. Even with anaesthestics, it was a most dreadful experience.

I have been so traumatized, that it is only with the greatest reluctance I attend the dentist now. In this respect, I certainly feel your pain.

September 29, 2007 - 9:55am

A colleague of mine is so terrified

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James24 Says:

of the dentist that she found one who is willing to give her a general anaesthetic, knock her out completely, when she has treatment. Seems a bit over the top to me, I must confess. No one likes the dentist but some have really bad experiences. I had a few nasty characters masquerading as medical professionals work on my teeth over the years. My better half has near-perfect teeth, not one filling, and never has to dread the half-yearly check-up. Luckily she is sympathetic to my dental plight. Still, mustn't grumble. If this is the only thing I will have to contend with then so be it and I'll count my blessings. Perhaps I'll just start saving up for a liquidizer..

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September 29, 2007 - 10:15am

There's an idea, our Richard.

Inquest of a Woman Says:

In fact, I need to take a trip to the dentist before the year is out. Been avoiding it, I admit, and ought to be ashamed. Really, I must put this childishness behind me; but it can be hard.

Still, I wonder. My father's father has never been to a dentist once in his life, and he still has all his teeth. They are white, too. He does not live in the West, though, but in the Caribbean. What do you make of that, our Richard? Naturally, I cannot live as my grandfather does, because we are in in the same country; but I cannot help but gape at how he has kept his teeth so, whilst I struggle, daily, to fight the creep of yellow and brown from my own.

September 29, 2007 - 11:37am

Are you a smoker, IOAW?

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James24 Says:

I smoked heavily for 24 years and my teeth are fairly white but smoking doesn't help one's teeth, I found.

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September 29, 2007 - 11:39am

No, our Richard. I never have smoked a thing in my life :)

Inquest of a Woman Says:

But I do eat a lot of vegetarian food, and it is said that some foods can stain your teeth.

September 29, 2007 - 1:49pm

Best to avoid those

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James24 Says:

tobacco leaf salads, then! Only joking..

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September 30, 2007 - 2:29pm

James24-my oldest daughter wants nothing more than to be

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ammorton Says:

knocked out by the dentist. For some reason the novacaine doesn't do much for the nerves in her mouth. She is quite numb until they begin working on her , then she can feel everything. They have given her up to four shots and nothing. I hate the dentist, but am going to have to get some extensive work done soon, so I keep telling myself that "the dentist is my friend" (with lots of sarcasim)lol.


September 29, 2007 - 1:09pm

meet you at Starbucks, James24

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spookyyank Says:

Sorry, but I've been taken by the pod-people and come to love Starbucks. My one guilty pleasure! But, I have to chuckle at this post because I'm both embarrassed by "my people", yet proud also. I've seen those tourists too often and hate that the rest of the world sees us as those idiots! No, I will never wear a fanny pack! And, the day my husband tried to put us in matching t-shirts was the day I knew we'd be divorced eventually! Ya, we're rude and don't like change. I personally don't get it. I love change and new experiences. But, that's how most folks are around the globe - which is where we get an unfair rap by being singled out.
I guess it's something we bring on ourselves, though. Growing up in the states you have a sense that you're ok where ever you are. It's the "freedom of everything" thing. I'm quite often too loud or too pushy or too silly. Get me angry and the folks on the next block will know what I'm mad about! Yes, we're a melting pot alright. And, some of us not so bad. Some of us, though, can down right suck.

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September 29, 2007 - 1:48pm

Great comment, Spooky! And yes,

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James24 Says:

I suppose the point is that I can choose not to frequent Starbucks, and the only reason that I don't like them is because I love coffee. You make some very good points. Of course there are so many Americans and it's unfair to label a whole people because of some stereotype that may or may not be valid. I live in England and my wife is English and I love it over here. But there are plenty of people who hold strong anti-English feelings such as the Irish, Scots, Welsh, Australians and others. I find that similarly narrow-minded. I have never belonged anywhere to the extent that I felt jingoistic enough to profess a dislike of any other nationality. Although I do have my preferences, I must admit.
Perhaps it's just that the whole world inevitably notices whenever the US does something new or out of the ordinary. The reach of American popular culture is so wide that it will often encroach on other ideas and notions that people have traditionally held and sometimes this grates. But, you know, people are people, what can you say? I think there are many fine characteristics that one could ascribe to the US. It's just unfair that so many Europeans would agree on this but can't bring themselves to admit that. Thanks for your comment!

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September 29, 2007 - 4:43pm

Sure, James.......and........

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spookyyank Says:

I must admit that I love this subject. Most of the time I'm right with the Europeans who don't like us! That terrible stereotype is one we've earned, because the loudest of our voices are generally the dumbest! It's like that scene from 'Independence Day' that still makes me cringe! That scene where the U.S. uses code to get through to Europe. On the recieving end is an Australian who says - "It's the Americans! Thank God!". As though to say the rest of the world would just be sitting there waiting for US to rescue them! It's insulting, but so many American's do think that way. So, I just figure it's up to people like us to take back some American pride! And, it's not a coincidence I think that I'm also one who'd prefer to live in England!

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September 30, 2007 - 12:41am

It's interesting to read your views on

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James24 Says:

the subject, Spooky. Did you see 'Team America'? I like the scene where the team blow up the pyramids and other incredibly valuable artefacts in their fight against the terrorists, blowing up everything in sight and worrying about the consequences later. It's a funny film and everyone gets lampooned. As long as there are critical and satirical voices like the makers of South Park and others perhaps it's not too bad.
And yes, I do believe England is a great place to live. If only we could have some more sunshine! It's a grey dull autumn day here today..

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September 30, 2007 - 2:45pm

I love the grey

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spookyyank Says:

Fall and winter are my favorite times of year because of that. So, England and I would get along very well! I haven't seen the film yet, but will get to it eventually. Right now the kid is ODing on 'Hot Fuzz'! I finally get a break from 'Click' and it's Simon Pegg all day! LOL

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September 30, 2007 - 11:59pm

I enjoyed 'Hot Fuzz'. The shoot-out scene in the supermarket was

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James24 Says:

was shot in a town not far from where I live. Simon Pegg being a West Country boy and all. Did you like 'Sean of the Dead' as well?

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September 30, 2007 - 12:42pm

I do hope, our Richard, that I fit your preference!

Inquest of a Woman Says:

That if, somehow, mysteriously, I came to know you as my neighbour, you would not balk at my arrival, but welcome my Canadian presence with sincere joy! :)

September 30, 2007 - 11:58pm

That, of course,

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James24 Says:

goes without saying, dear IOAW..

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September 30, 2007 - 11:50am

i'm with spooky on this one!

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ModelMom Says:

LOL! and i think she already knows that one! :-)

i was born & raised in the US by non american parents and have traveled & lived abroad extensively...so i can tell you honestly that if i could i would live in europe (and hopefully will again in the future) . i agree that to hate the US and its people is ridiculous but i also know that a lot of the stereotypes we have attained hold some truth to them. lord knows i was mortified by the behavior of several of my classmates when i was a sophomore in college and taking a study abroad year in austria....we were 30 americans living in salzburg and traveling the continenent and the lack of couth and cultural awareness by the majority of them was embarrassing.

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September 30, 2007 - 11:51am

BTW

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ModelMom Says:

i'll take german cuisine over a big mac anyday....although i do like my starbucks! :-P

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September 30, 2007 - 12:12pm

Thanks for your view, Modelmom. I think

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James24 Says:

it's fascinating to hear your opinion about this subject. It's not easy to gauge from the outside. I prefer to believe that the typical stereotype can't be that widespread but I'm sure you're better able to determine that. Did you like the Wienerschitzel in Austria? I've been to Salzburg and thought it was quite an elegant city. You could envisage Mozart strolling down the streets and alleys.

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September 30, 2007 - 12:08pm

A Bratwurst possibly, but I'll pass on

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James24 Says:

on the Sauerkraut, danke!

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September 30, 2007 - 12:39pm

Yes, our ModelMom, 'tis an interesting observation you made.

Inquest of a Woman Says:

I cannot say, myself, that I have seen Americans behave badly beyond the North American realm. (I've seen a bit of it in Canada, where I reside, but no where else.) However, when in the United States I was sometimes appalled at the way some behaved towards me, because I was Canadian, and Black at that. (Yes, a good many were rather shocked and confused that a yellow-brown girl could be of Canadian heritage--heehee! Perhaps I did not quite fit their image of the blue-eyed, ruddy-faced, log house inhabitants sitting to a dinner of wild caribou, potatoes, and maple syrop.)

You make a good point--that while not all Americans carry on ignorantly around folks of other nationalities, Americans in general must confess that some do, and that such behaviour, like it or not, fair or not, is a reflection on the country as a whole. To this end, it behoves everyone to do their best to contribute to a more polite and sensitive culture.

September 30, 2007 - 1:25pm

We've all got our bagage, IOAW. In

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James24 Says:

Europe they are more than aware of the English young lads who go around in packs drinking too much lager too early in the evening and getting up to no good. They are a veritable plague in the seaside resorts along the Mediterranean. Not a pretty picture and reflecting quite poorly on the English as a whole.

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September 30, 2007 - 1:53pm

Can't disagree, our Richard.

Inquest of a Woman Says:

I will be the first to attest to the foolishness of some my fellow Canadian citizens. Although Canada has not developed a reputation of ignornant, irresponsiblie behaviour (for the most part, anyway), we are not for lack of individual scoundrels who disgrace us beyond our borders! When I say it behoves EVERYONE to make an effort to represent one's country respectably, I mean EVERYONE, Canadians included.

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