An Ethiest by Education

Well today I had quite a laugh.... but when I really think about I get sort of disturbed because... this is like, the biggest SCAM of all time. It is so simple it is just ridiculous.

There is now a new "MUSEUM" to advocate Christianity. Okay, fine.... even though "museums" are supposed to help preserve history, not stories. Whatever. Fine. But the FUNNY thing is that they built this $27 MILLION "museum" (wow, that's a lot of money; I'm sure that there was no better way to spend all that money for the good of humankind) largely to "prove" (I think that the better term would be to "ludicrously insist") that evolution is all a silly idea, that divine creation is the only truth-- and one of the MAIN issues is-- dinosaurs. The world of Science and Reason say that dinosaurs ENDED their several hundred million year reign tens of millions of years ago. BUT according to Christianity, that is simply not true. Yes, they have no explanation for the FACTS involved that make up REALITY but they still insist, arms crossed over chests and feet stamped firmly into the ground, that the Earth, humans, and dinosaurs were all brought into existence a mere 6000 years ago. What I cannot help think of are all the "Christian" friends I have who I consider to be very intelligent.... but... when it comes to this..... Which does everyone really believe? Science or faith? And is it all because they were raised that way? It certainly looks like it and I struggle with that. Do all these people REALLY believe that "God" planted phony evidence as a "test" or something and the Earth is REALLY only 6000 years old? Do people REALLY believe that the Earth is that new because a pastor or a preacher or a Reverend TELLS them so? THAT is the big selling point to the idea-- someone just telling masses of people that and since it seems morally tidy and easier than being independently ethical, people just GO WITH IT??? Because you cannot be a steadfast, faithful Christian if you don't beleive it ALL.... which to me is an awfully mean way of putting a lot of nice people who are just looking for answers into the postition of having only two options: be faithful or be reasonable. You cannot "in good faith" be both.....

Furthermore.... when Christian friends and I discuss these things, and it really comes down to it and they HAVE to try to make sense of it and CANNOT, the same thing usually happens. They resignedly say that that is ok; yes, it appears insane but it is all about Faith, the best kind-- BLIND FAITH... that if there is scientific evidence proving Christianity wrong, it is one of the "mysteries" God meant for them to be puzzled by and to test whether they would really trust in him, or something like that.

And I suppose... that is okay. I mean, if you are going to believe in something, you may as well be all for it! I just have such trouble understanding how people can have that committment to something that is so absurd in theory. It IS, even if you believe in divine creation, an absurd idea when you look at ALL the ENDLESS FACTS that say otherwise.

More bothersome still is the fact that religion seems to me to be pretty much like people voting for president without knowing who the candidates even ARE. People will sign on for life, baptize their kids, go to war and discriminate against people (all over the world, all religions) and much more, almost all without ever having done ANY studying of their own religion. (Yes, I know that OBVIOUSLY they have not studied the possibility of being wrong, but let's even just forget about that for a while and assume the Bible is a 100% accurate historical account, true word for word, indisputably, with endless evidence to back it up) Why don't people read their own Bible? A recent poll from Time showed that 94% of baptized Christians polled claimed to have never even read their own Bible. --WHAT???? I am an Athiest by Education and I have read their freaking Bible! I have pored over, agonized and painstakingly read several Christian Bibles, searching for that "faith" so many people feel.... and the more I learn, the more inconsistencies and incomplete stories and varying accounts I read (ESPECIALLY the differences from one Christian Bible to the next), the more information I store in my head, the less legitimate the entire idea seems. I would enjoy buying into the whole thing, since I live in a mainly Christian country (I'm sure if I were born in another part of the world it would be THAT religion), so that people would automatically assume I am a good person (I had a woman at the park start pestering me about going to her church; I listened politely and tried to change the subject but she was not going to let that happen. When she found out we don't go, she called us heathens! LOL Hilarious, since I have more moral fiber and actually "practice what I preach" than almost anyone I know. That is not due to religion. I don't need that to tell me how to behave. I know right from wrong like every other person who has a brain and a conscience and a basic knowledge of the law. lol. )

I just feel like a lot of people are unfairly taken in by this giant conspiracy. And I GET how religion happened-- it was a necessary part our revolution as a human race.... but I don't believe that the human race came about through divine creation. I mean, it is really laughable. I think, okay, people can go on and live in oblivion if that makes them feel happy and secure and that is FINE-- it is their RIGHT to do so. I just feel kind of sad about the whole thing. I feel like I am watching a big kid trade a dime to a little kid for their quarter because if it's bigger, it must be worth more..... and not helping the little kid. I feel almost resposible in a way because I know better and most people who love it are afraid to look deeper and try to see what all is really there.

I think a bigger sign of "believing" than simple, mindless, unquestioned, blind faith would be to study EVERYTHING; different religions, the wide variety of Christian persuasions, and all the "left out things" like the Gnostic Gospels and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Learn all you can and prove it RIGHT. If someone wants to believe all the Bible, what about the parts in the Old Testament that are left out now because they are so dark and disturbing? Oh, that's right. At least 96% of society will have no idea what I am talking about... because the Church doesn't want them to and they are apathetic. It might cause people to wonder, to question, to think.... and we can't have that. Because then it would all fall apart.

If it seems like I am picking on Christianity only, I'm not. Pretty much all the religions copy-cat back to the original ones. They have the same ideas for themselves, how people came to be and to worship God.... I am just focusing on Christianity because we live in a mainly-Christian society AND because that was what was on GMA today.

Also, I should add that I still think that the friends I have would be good people and not "sinners" if they were born in another part of the world and were born into another way of life where they had another religion that they were willing to die for.

I guess the last thing I would say is that the best way for me to put it is to quote someone who said it better than I can:

""I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -- Stephen Roberts

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mapiklfish | May 25, 2007 - 7:32am

I don't believe it because a man says it, I believe it because God said it. Every prophecy in the Bible has come to pass with 100% accuracy. I'm thrilled with the new museum and would love to go visit it. I think it takes more faith to believe in evolution that in a Creator. What frustrates me is that part of my tax money funds teaching kids secular humanism but we can't teach them creation. I don't believe in secular humanism and evolution yet I have no choice but to fund it. The museum is being built with money that God has provided through His people and not with your tax money, so I don't really see a reason to complain about it.


Pussy Willow | May 25, 2007 - 8:27am

how do you know God said it? You are taking the word of people who may or may not have really existed - who may have been only characters in someone's fictional tale.

And, I really would like you - or anyone - to give me 3 examples of prophecies in the Bible that have "come to pass with 100% accuracy." And I don't mean ones that the Bible said came to pass, I mean prophecies that you have actual proof came to pass, - pictures, living, objective eye-witnesses, something like that - not just more fables and myths.

Pussy Willow


jennifermilam | May 25, 2007 - 8:32am

Actually, God did not physically WRITE the Bible, and that would be according to any Christian church leader. He did not get out his prining press and make up the first hundred thousand copies, lol..... As far as the Bible prophecies coming to pass.... which Bible, again? I'm sorry but with SO many different Christian versions of the Bible, it is hard to guess which one someone would choose randomly. Also, the reason for your wonderings about why taxes cannot pay for imposing someone's beliefs is that it is there to protect everyone, common people like me and you. Many people are uneducated about the Separation of Church and State, but if you would like an easy crash course, you could Google it. The people who founded the ideals for our country, even if they believed wholeheartedly in Christianity PERSONALLY, understood the importance of there being a strict separation between government and religion, as well there should be. If not, America would be no different than all the places that we were trying to escape when coming here, where religious persecution BY the government ruled every aspect of public and personal life. No one should be scared into their belief system, and if the government used taxes to fund YOUR beliefs, it would be directly forcing it upon people who do not believe in what you do.... and forget about Athiests-- I'm talking first about all the other religions out there-- as well, like I mentioned, as the vast differences between Christian religions. Are you thinking that it should be more mainstream type of religious bullying, or something like Catholicism (hey maybe we could get some child molesting preists in the public school systems, just to suit people like you who are against basic American freedoms)? Or what about Jehovah's Witnesses? They are certainly Christians, and yet, they do not believe that any one, no matter how much they have sinned, will ever go to Hell. They don't even believe that most true followers of God go to Heaven-- they believe that they are reborn into a New System of Things after the Great Tribulation and the Battle of Armegeddon and only few annointed ones go to Heaven to be angels. Did you know about that? So, exactly which kind of Christianity are you suggesting we force-feed/'brainwash into the minds of our youth? What is the big fear with letting people learn and think for themselves? If they want to choose Christianity, great. At least they will be doing it themselves and not have it forced upon them. Goodness, Jesus himself was not baptized until he was a grown man in his 30s, capable to choose for himself-- and his Dad was GOD! lol.... I don't see any logic whatsoever in claiming that you think it would take more faith to believe in Evolution. Okay. So, you mean, it takes more faith to believe that parents really put the presents under the tree than to keep believing in Santa Clause at the age of 30? Riiiiiiiight.... Okay then, yes, you make a LOT of sense (if I had eaten a bag of PCP maybe)..... I see example after example of this: "Believers" clinging desperately to their ideas with no proof. They are terrified and offended at the idea of anyone not buying into the whole fairy tale as well. Well I don't get angry at "believers"-- I get annoyed with the outrageous zealots who want to brainwash our world, who think anyone who is not exaclty like them is a "sinner" and inherently evil (not that most of them know anything about their own Bible anyways, which makes their blissful ignorance even more insignificant) when really they just don't know anything different and don't care to learn about the differences around their world. Most people aren't born with the ability to see things outside of themselves, and don't care to grow into someone who does (wait, aren't Christians supposed to have compassion?) I know so many "good" Christians. By this I mean that they have educated themselves at least somewhat about their own religion, they are consistent in their beliefs, they follow the Bible in their daily life (extremely rare, even for most of the stone-throwers) and they have compassion and understanding about all kinds of people. I don't think being Christian-- or Muslim, or Buddhist, or Scientologist-- makes anyone evil by that fact. Absolutely not! I think that most of the people (though mainly hypocritical in their general lifestyles) are trying to do what socity and their families all deem to be the "right" way to live. And hey. If people need to use The Commanments (I am the only person lately who remembers that there were not just 10 Commandments and that really they were all ended with the end of Mosaic Law? Never mind. I'm sure I am wasting my time.) to keep in check their moral guidelines-- fine. The Commandments are pretty basic and decent, so fine. Good. But don't try to force it on people by using the government (that is SCARY!!) and learn something about what you are talking about please. Keep your eyes and mind "blind" if you want (only considered a plus in terms of religion) to other POSSIBILITIES, but actually find out what it is you are trying to preach about in the first place. Oh and please learn to respect the rights of the American people, granted by the American people. I have a hard time with people direspecting our Constitution-- especially when it seems they have not read that important document, either.

jennifermilam | May 25, 2007 - 8:36am

oh yes.... also, if you don't want to take the word of the Big Bad Athiest, check with the public school system. NO ONE is teaching Evolution as a belief system, they are teaching as part of SCIENCE, where FACTS are provided. We may as well do away with school completely if children are supposed to be taught to believe OPPOSITE of what scientific facts show to be true. Should you child fail World History if they answer on a test that they Earth is billions of years old? How are you going to explain that to your child? What goes next? If science and history are out, then what about English? Where do you draw the line? You can't have it both ways. You are either scientific or faithful. I'm going to be scientific.

mapiklfish | May 25, 2007 - 8:34am

know that God said it and that's good enough for me.


mapiklfish | May 25, 2007 - 8:45am

First of all science is something that can be recreated in a lab or is observable. The beginning of time is neither so does not fit into science and should not be in the public school system at all. You can't prove evolution any more than I can prove creation so, as far as I'm concerned it doesn't belong in a classroom. Evolution is a BELIEF SYSTEM and part of the RELIGION of secular humanism. Evolution is NOT science. It does not fit the criteria.

Now, I never called anyone a big bad atheist. If you want to be an atheist it is certainly your right. God's existence does not depend on your belief in him or non belief in him. He exiists regardless of what you believe.

I didn't think I said anything that was offensive or argumentative. All I did was state my beliefs. I did not call anyone names or imply anything derogatory to anyone who does not believe as I do.


jennifermilam | May 25, 2007 - 8:59am

Well, ma'am, I certainly should have been more clear and that is entirely my fault, and I take the blame.... I did not necessarily mean YOU think I am a big bad anything, just most people reading the post. And-- lol-- it's okay for the most part; Athiests are used to be discriminated against in the same way as other minorities. --Now, you cannot recreate carbon dating. You can not fake the age of molten magma from the bottom of the sea. You can not recreate bone dating of a skeleton that is over 10,000 years old, or a fossilized cave in which scientists found remains of a FIRE being started by humans over one million years old.... Or, you think that the Discovery channel is in on the big lie called Science and Fact?

mapiklfish | May 25, 2007 - 8:56am

By the way, if you will pull out a copy of our constitution, you will not find anything in there about separation of church and state. It does NOT exist. We homeschool our kids and made them read the constitution. They asked where the separation of church and state comes from because it is NOT in the constitution. Read it for yourself!


jennifermilam | May 25, 2007 - 9:24am

I swear to... Darwin! lol... that I did not make up the Separation of Church and State! LOL.... I swear I did not make it up. You can find it anywhere. Do your kids read Amendments or just the original version? :-) Seriously, I should have been more accurate and concise-- like I said, my fault again. I PROMISE you that I did not make it up, though. I wish it were my brainchild but it isn't!.... Oh and for the record... Science terrifies me. We are in a sad state and the outlook is not good for our planet or our race. If everything that is in the Bible (any Bible!) turned out to be true, that would be great. It really would. I'd be wrong, and I would admit it and accept whatever fate awaited me. I'm not closed to any POSSIBILITY. But if I see an ice cube melt at one temperature, I will "observe" it to be true, yes, lol.

mapiklfish | May 25, 2007 - 9:17am

We do not have any dating system that is accurate beyond 5000 years and carbon dating has been wrong for much lesser times than that. It is not foolproof and is not 100% accurate. Geologists date rocks by the layers they are found in and they date the layers by the rocks. That is circular reasoning and is not science. Honest secular scientists will tell you the same things and they don't even believe in evolution anymore because it is too flawed. The discovery, history and national geographic channels are a joke and I would not depend on them for truth or knowledge. They have some truth, I would not say everything on there is not true but they certainly don't have all truth or all knowledge. I take what I watch on those channels with lots of grains of salt.


jennifermilam | May 25, 2007 - 9:40am

You are misinformed about so much, especially details about carbon dating, ROCK dating, skeletal remains and the like. Check your facts.... oh wait, that's right, you don't beleive in that. By the way, did you get a chance to brush up on your American History yet? Oh, or did you decide which Christian persuasion should be forced upon the masses yet? Did the Jehovah's Witness thing sound good to you? They might be making it up, though, like PBS, Discovery, CNN, NASA and every single other mass organization out there. You're probably right; I'm sure God put all that "evidence" there just to make sure people are keeping the faith. That makes a lot more sense. Oh another interesting fact: Did you know that 5 + 5 now equals 6? That sort of thought process ought to be right up your alley.

Sassys | May 25, 2007 - 9:20am

Sassys
be passionate one way or the other...but how about this idea..How about BOTH being right? Why the hell can't the science and the faith both be "real"? I believe in God...but I am smart enough to believe in the straight facts as well.

jennifermilam | May 25, 2007 - 9:33am


mapiklfish | May 25, 2007 - 9:41am

I'm going to make one more comment. It was not my intent to argue evolution vs. creation. You aren't going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours. I was somewhat offended at your attitude toward Christianity and the museum As I said, the museum is not being built or kept up with tax dollars so shouldn't matter to anyone, where my tax dollars are going to fund things that I vehemntly oppose whether I like it or not.

The Bible's record of fulfilled prophecy is 100% accurate. No other book or historical writing can say that. You just proved it again with your posts. The Bible says that the teaching of the cross is foolishness to the world but is the power of God unto salvation to those that believe. You certainly think it is foolishness and so, again, prove it's accuracy.

Many creationists know more about evolution than evolutionists because they have studied it. They have looked at it and found it extremely flawed. Even secular scientists are unable to defend it anymore. If TRUTH is what you are after, I challenge you to do some honest searching and reading. Go to the creation sites and read with an open mind. Most creationists have been to the evolution sites and read them.

If you are at all unsure of God's existence, ask him to show Himself to you and He will but, you certainly have the right NOT to believe in Him just as I have the right TO believe in Him. The Bible also says that the world will hate us (Christians) just as it hated Jesus when He walked the earth and, again, so very true today. Do some reasearch on Biblical prophecy. By the way I believe in the big bang. God said it and, Bang! It happened. Actually I don't know if there was a bang at the beginning of creation, I wasn't there. There could have been. I do know there is a big bang still coming. Revelation tells of it. God is going to destroy the earth and the heavens will be rolled up with a bang and earth will be destroyed again, not by water this time, though, but by fire.


jennifermilam | May 25, 2007 - 10:03am

As I grew up, I would have stood behind what you are saying to my death. I only started to study to PROVE that it was TRUE. As someone who has been moved by both sides of the argument, I think that all my learning has come from a very unbiased place, and if there was any bias, it was FOR God and religion. Yes, we both have the right to follow our own beliefs in this country, thank Goodness (partly because of the fact that our government does have Separation of Church and State, which was all started up with Thomas Jefferson, a faithful Christian, who also owned and studied his own personal copy of the Taliban). I didn't set out with this blog to change anyone's mind-- it is a blog. Sometimes I may write about shopping, sometimes my kids and all the cute things that they do, sometimes politics, sometimes frisbee golf, lol. There is no telling. Today it was this, but not with the attempt to "bring anyone over" to my side, lol.... Since I am slightly obsessed, you might be surprised to find that I probably go to many of the same creation sites you do! LOL.... I cannot help it; I have an intense passion for studying all religions, whether they are mainstream, new, ancient, controversial or whatever they may be. I DO study from all aspects. I can tell you do NOT. I DO, so why don't you? I have my entire life, and always will-- why don't you give it one little try? The old "practice what you preach" adage? :-) Pick up a copy of The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read; you cannot get more basic that that. I don't want to offend you. Sorry; maybe my blog isn't something you should read and you might need to keep with things that are more traditional and not so learning-geared. --It is really more the educational system that is complaining about this new "museum" (I just blogged about it; I have not lodged any formal complaints); they don't like the fact that much hard work is being undone by stories. --If you think that ANY Bible saying that people will criticize it counts as a PROPHECY, then you are easily impressed. Example: my blog about Atheism now predicts that many Christians will say that I am wrong!.... Like you! BAM! Now, I must be correct. If that isn't proof then I don't know what else is. LOL. Seriously, come on now. I mean, come ON. And for all the talk about these prophecies, you have never come out with a list for us OR provided the passages AND the title of the Bible that they are in. I'm sure that you could if you wanted to, right? lol.... And again, you need to look into what Christianity REALLY claims. You are 100% WRONG if you want to say that ALL branches of Christianity believe that God will come down and what was it? Let me quote you: "God is going to destroy the earth and the heavens will be rolled up with a bang and earth will be destroyed again, not by water this time, though, but by fire." Really, don't make yourself look sillier. I'm actually trying to educate YOU about your own religion. Maybe not YOUR "version" of it, but hey it is still Christianity so if I believe that then I'm all good right?

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